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This saints "open-ness" to the truth is much lauded by liberals as an example to follow.

It is a shame they (the liberals) forget that there is no point being open to the truth
if you are already unfaithful to the truth you already know.

Two cents from a young Dominican.

God Bless

Unfortunately, that seems to be the case with more than one soul (I'm certainly not a liberal, however I'm sure even I 'quibble' on the Truth sometimes). Probably part of concupiscence.

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 ;D Now come on Bailey, we know you're not a real liberal.

It is my duty to defend against labeling.  There are catechized, un-catechized, abused and otherwise hurt, alienated, from childhood indoctrination, modeling, and socialization ignorant, and just plain lost.  There are not liberals.

I could use some words to substitute for the label traditionalist but in deference to Martin I'd rather not say.   ;D

I agree wholeheartedly with this post, and I want to say that there are some who have had many of these problems, but through grace have been able to get beyond them to Catholic orthodoxy. :D

Yes! we must be careful about this. :D Telling people they are bad people and your enemy can make them bad people and your enemy, when if you just told them they were good, and helped them to understand as a friend, they would've become good instead -- because they were just somewhere indefinite actually..

Of course we are all actually sinners.. No one is good but God.. but I think the sense of the above gets across.

Knowing when to use terms and when not to use them.. hmm.. I don't entirely know.  At least use prudence and consider the audiences and what will do true good. Not all things are suitable for all people. :D

Brother Paul Mary have you read the book 'Liberalism is a Sin?' It's available as a free etext, on Saints' Books and other places. A competing book criticizing it was condemned for being ad hominem, and it praised for not being so. :)

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It's a merry forum tonight.  :D

Agh, my exclamation point won't work.

Have to uninstall that silly broken macro program.

[Martin, I pray you find a good reliable machine. Most everything nowadays except at the very bottom tier is good for all your basic tasks, one doesn't need superpowered PCs to do all the basics, email, wordprocessing, internet, multitasking.

And Windows 7 is very reliable compared to the previous operating systems.

It's only when you get to computer programming or other very processor intensive tasks that you have to spend a little more or sit and watch your coffee get cold until things are done.  :D ]

It was just St. Thomas Aquinas's day recently. :D We will have to share some quotes.

I am reading De Malo, and it is incredibly helpful, just the little bit so far I have gotten into. I wonder how I missed reading it before now.

Baily you know me? Far too thick-skinned to take any label to heart. hehehe.
I remember I was labeled a heretic once on a forum while having a debate on the necessity of Baptism.
The opposing view was, that everyone goes to heaven and hell is empty.

There are so many labels out there now it's hard to keep abreast of it all. We have Trads, Liberals, Sede's, Neocons and Feeneyites to name but a view.  :o

Shin I didn't notice that book you mention. I must check it out too.

Hmm, yes, I remember digesting the meaning of each of those one after another.

There's some large sized previews of De Malo online, and some privileged access full versions, though for some reason I can't seem to find an English translation that is out of copyright. I haven't checked the World Catalog thoroughly yet, but so far no sign of one at least online. But there's still more searching to do.

I have read Liberalism is a sin a long time ago.

I think it is quite a decent book.

:p

God Bless

I've been wondering about reading that book but it did sound from the title to be an ad hominim attack.  :-\

The title alone tells me I'd have a stroke!   :faint:

Truly a well ordered life! :D

I think you found a good spot! :D


I remember reading about how important it was for you to pray to God to find where you were supposed to be, and to do your daily duties well. And I see the more as time goes by how much it is a necessary prayer!

Amen Shin,
Absolutely necessary !

I have more of Thomas' prayers, I can even post them in Latin if anyone would like that. I may not understand Latin, but the beauty of the language transends time.

James :fishie:

Latin is preferred!  ;D

One can appreciate the beauty of the language, absolutely! And over time one picks up and learns words!  :D

Nothing like it!

What a beautiful , beautiful prayer!! It encompasses everything one would ever want to ask God!  Must note this down. Thank you.

A beautiful Prayer James and thanks for sharing.  :)

Ah, I am liking this!

It's great to have more prayers from the saints!

I wish there was the Latin for it!  ;D

Ah yes ! As a matter of fact I do have the Latin for the prayers. I only have so much time on the PC, but I will post the Latin for these to in the next day or two.
Thanks for reminding me. :)

Deo gratias! Thank you for the time to type them down. :D

I think they'll be appearing in the prayer generator (http://www.saintsprayers.net).  ;D

That is a beautiful prayer.
God is so good to us all. Deo gratias!  :angelbell:

~ Ad Vitam Sapienter Instituendam ~
      ( For Ordering A Life Wisely )

Quam Angelicus quotidie recitare solebat ante imaginem Christi.


Concede mihi, misericors Deus, quae tibi sunt placita, ardenter concupiscere, prudenter investigare, veraciter agnoscere, et perfecte adimplere, ad laudem et gloriam nominis tui.
Ordina, Deus meus, statum meum.
Et quod a me requiris ut faciam, tribue ut sciam.
Et da exsequi, sicut oportet et expedit animae meae.
Da mihi, Domine Deus meus, inter prospera et adversa non deficere, ut in illis non extollar et in istis deprimar.
De nullo gaudeam vel doleam, nisi quod ducat ad te vel abducat a te.
Nulli placere appetam vel displicere timeam, nisi tibi.
Vilescant mihi, Dominie, omnia transitoria, et cara mihi sint omnia aeterna.
Taedeat me gaudii quod est sine te, nec aliud cupiam quod est extra te.
Delectet me, Dominie, labor, qui est pro te, et taediosa sit mihi omnis quies quae est sine te.
Da mihi, Deus meus, cor meum ad te dirigere et in defectione mea cum emendationis proposito constanter dolere.
Fac me, Domini Deus meus, obedientem sine contradictione, pauperem sine dejectione, castum sine corruptione, patientem sine murmuratione, humilem sine fictione, hilarem sine dissolutione, maturum sine gravedine, agilem sine levetate, timentem te sine desperatione, veracem sine duplicitate, operantem bona sine praesumptione, proximum corripere sine elatione, ipsum aedificare verbo et exemplo sine simulation.
Da mihi, Domine Deus, cor pervigil, quod nulla abucat a te curiosa cogitatio.
Da nobile, quod nulla deorsum trahat indigna affectio.
Da rectum, quod nulla seorsum obliquet sinistra intentio.
Da firmum, quod nulla frangat tribulatio.
Da liberum, quod nulla sibi vindicet violenta affectio.
Largire mihi, Domine Deus meus, intellectum te cognoscentem, diligentiam te quaerentem, sapientiam te invenientem, conversationem tibi placentem, perseverantiam fidenter te expectantem, et fiduciam te finaliter amplectentem.
Da tuis poenis hic affligi per poenitentiam, tuis beneficiis in via uti per gratiam, tuis guadiis in patria perfrui per gloriam.
Qui vivis et regnas, Deus, per omnia saecula saeculorum.

Amen.

This is splendid James.. Thank you!

Hmm, now to prepare it for the prayers library.

Hmm, I see there is an alternative English translation I found.

Here's one of the other options! Hmm... they both have their good points..


GRANT me, O merciful God, to desire eagerly, to investigate prudently, to acknowledge sincerely, and to fulfill perfectly those things that are pleasing to Thee, for the praise and glory of Thy holy Name.

O my God, order my life, and grant that I may know what Thou wilt have me to do; and grant that I may fulfill it as is fitting and profitable to my soul.

Grant me, O Lord my God, the grace that I may not falter either in prosperity or adversity.

May I not be unduly lifted up by the one, nor unduly cast down by the other.
Let me neither rejoice nor grieve at anything, save what either leads to Thee or leads away from Thee.
Let me not desire to please anyone nor fear to displease anyone save only Thee.

Let all things transitory seem vile in my eyes, and all things eternal be dear to me.
Let me tire of that joy which is without Thee and to desire nothing that is outside Thee.
Let me find joy in the labor that is for Thee; and let all repose that is without Thee be tiresome to me.

Grant me, my God, the grace to direct my heart towards Thee, and with a firm purpose of amendment, to grieve continually my failures, together with a firm purpose of amendment.

O Lord my God, make me obedient without complaining, poor without despondency, chaste without stain, patient without grumbling, humble without pretense, cheerful without dissipation, mature without undue heaviness, quick-minded without levity, fearful of Thee without abjectness, truthful without duplicity, devoted to good works without presumption, ready to correct my neighbor without arrogance, and to edify him by word and example without hypocrisy.

Grant me, Lord God, a watchful heart which shall be distracted from Thee by no vain thoughts; give me a generous heart which shall not be drawn downward by any unworthy affection; give me an upright heart which shall not be led astray by any perverse intention; give me a stout heart which shall not be crushed by any hardship; give me a free heart which shall not be enslaved by passion.

Bestow upon me, O Lord my God, an understanding that knows Thee, diligence in seeking Thee, wisdom in finding Thee, conversation pleasing to Thee, perseverance in faithfully waiting for Thee, and confidence in embracing Thee in the end.

Grant that I may be chastised here by penance, that I may make good use of Thy gifts in this life by Thy grace, and that I may partake of Thy joys in the glory of heaven: Who livest and reignest, God, forever and ever. Amen.

I've grown to favor the more reverential language of the older style with the "Thee's" and "Thou's.
I find myself using this type of language in my own prayers when asking favors from the saints. It seems more humble when begging.  ;D

I agree Martin, though I like how the first one flows.

Hmm. I wonder how the first would sound it if were a bit more like the second. Or vice versa.

Here's one:
...order our days in Thy peace...

...diesque nostros in tua pace disponas...
from the Latin mass prayers at the consecration.

(I like short prayers sometimes  :D) 

Doesn't that just say it all !  :seraphim:

I'm always looking for prayers related to the virtues. You've got a real find here James!

I was just reading about modesty in gestures and looks, and the danger of scandal for priests who do not pay sufficient attention to this virtue.

'Do we not see priests who, in church, at the altar, in the confessional, and even when vested for Mass, not only raise their eyes, but turn them round in all directions and fix them on people as if they wished to study them, and who are so uneasy and restive, craning their necks and moving hands and feet, that they show plainly that they cannot control themselves? How is it possible for the people to be edified at such a sight and learn to respect the house of God, and stand with reverence and composure?

On one occasion it happened that a layman came into a church looking for a priest to hear his confession. As soon as he entered he saw a confessor who, having dispatched a penitent from one side of the confessional before turning to the other, had a good look round the church, and not content with that, leaned out straining his eyes in order to get a better view of everything. At such a sight the man took his hat and went out saying that such a confessor would hardly suit him.'

St. Joseph Cafasso