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Title: Did the Vatican support the Confederacy?
Post by: CyrilSebastian on September 11, 2019, 09:56:38 PM
Did the Pope (States of the Church; Holy See) recognize the Confederacy?


Title: Re: Did the Vatican support the Confederacy?
Post by: CyrilSebastian on September 30, 2019, 09:25:48 PM
The Vatican did not favor the South for slavery. The Vatican recognized the Confederate States of America as a separate nation.


Title: Re: Did the Vatican support the Confederacy?
Post by: Shin on October 05, 2019, 01:01:44 AM
I wonder when the Vatican recognized the United States as a nation.


Title: Re: Did the Vatican support the Confederacy?
Post by: CyrilSebastian on October 09, 2019, 09:11:17 PM
I wonder when the Vatican recognized the United States as a nation.
     
   
The Papal States were the sixth to diplomatically recognize the United States. The year may be 1784.


Title: Re: Did the Vatican support the Confederacy?
Post by: CyrilSebastian on April 16, 2024, 06:05:06 PM
During the American Civil War, President Lincoln asked Pope Pius IX to elevate John Hughes   
(The Archbishop of New York) into the College of Cardinals. Pope Pius IX declined to do so.


Title: Re: Did the Vatican support the Confederacy?
Post by: eschator83 on April 17, 2024, 09:21:18 PM
This great thread certainly raises lots of interesting issues for me.  Issue one was wondering whether Catholics or Protestants in general were more active and effective in trying to end slavery world-wide, and in the US and other major countries.  I'm still wondering.  Issues 2,3,4 and on and on were the many issues and trials of the long Papacy of Pius IX.  Poor Pius was bedevilled by his own problems of civil strife in Italy and probably had little time for much reflection on the US civil war progress.  In 1849 a Roman Republic was declared, and Papal control in Rome was restored only by occupancy of French troops.  By 1868 most of the Papal States had been lost, and Pius had attempted to forbid Catholics from taking part in the new political life.  His insistence on papal primacy and infallibility, coupled with opposition to constitutional civil government, certainly would seem to suggest opposition to the US North but little or no enthusiasm for the South either.