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Here is a sampling of what I have gathered so far.

Secondary sources for many of them, but no known problems with these books as secondary sources -- Dupont, etc.

Quotes are excerpted and not always concurrent from the same author.


"There will be a great prodigy which will fill the world with awe. But this prodigy will be preceded by the triumph of a revolution during which the Church will go through ordeals that are beyond description."

Pope Pius IX

"I saw one of my successors taking to flight over the bodies of his brethren. He will take refuge in a disguise somewhere; after a short retirement, he will die a cruel death. The present wickedness of the world is only the beginning of sorrows which must take place before the end of the world."

St. Pope Pius X

"A day will come when the civilized world will deny its God, when the Church will doubt as Peter doubted. She will be tempted to believe that man has become God. In our churches, Christians will search in vain for the red lamp where God awaits them. Like Mary Magdalene, weeping before the empty tomb, they will ask, "Where have they taken him?"

Pope Pius XII

"For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine but, following their own desires and insatiable curiosity, will accumulate teachers and will stop listening to the truth and will be diverted to myths."

2 Timothy 4:3-4

And because Antichrist will attain such a pitch of empty glory and be allowed to take such action against all men, and especially against God's saints, that at length some of the weak will indeed suppose God does not trouble about human affairs, the Psalmist . . . goes on to express the groaning, so to speak, of those who ask why judgement is delayed. . .
Hence the Psalmist hints at the cause of the delay in the words, 'while the wicked man is proud, the poor is on fire.'
It is truly wonderful to see with what earnestness and what firm hope God's little ones are enkindled to upright living when in contest with sinners.

St. Augustine

I saw the Church inspired by the Holy Spirit , introducing various changes in her discipline when devotion and veneration towards the blessed sacrament had grown weak. . . Incalculable graces were thereby bestowed upon the whole Church.

This cardinal will proclaim himself Anti-Pope, and two thirds of the Christians will go with him. He, also well as Antichrist, are descendants of Dan.

I saw again a new and odd-looking Church which they were trying to build. There was nothing holy about it.

I heard that Lucifer (if I don't mistake) will be freed again for awhile fifty or sixty years before the year 2000 A.D. I have forgotten many of the other dates that were told me.

I saw during the last few days marvelous things connected with the Church. St. Peter's was almost entirely destroyed by the sect, but their labors were, in turn, rendered fruitless and all that belonged to them, their aprons and tools, burned by the executioners on the public place of infamy.

[Edit: Source Needs Rechecking Bingen? Emmerich?]

Eugene, Servant of servants, sends greetings and his blessing to his daughter, the virgin Hildegard. 'We are amazed, daughter, at your message and the more I ponder over your words, the more I wonder. . . But I also rejoice that God even in our times works such marvels and reveals Himself to you, making known dark secrets of the future. . . It is my will that you do what God has commanded you to do. Write and speak as He wills . . . But in all things be humble and prudent. I shall approve of your works by a Papal Bull.'

Pope Eugenius

Then the Lord from his glorious heaven shall set up his peace. And the kingdom of the Romans shall rise in place of this latter people, and establish its dominion upon the earth, even to its ends, and there shall be no one who will resist it. After iniquity shall have [subsequently] multiplied, and all creatures have become defiled, then Divine Justice shall appear, and shall wholly destroy the people, and coming forth from perdition, the man of iniquity shall be revealed upon the earth, the Seducer of men, and the disturber of the whole earth.

St. Ephraem

Certain Doctors truly say, that one of the kings of the Frankish [Roman] Empire shall possess it in its entirety, which King shall live in the last time and shall be the greatest and last of kings. Who after he shall have happily governed his Kingdom, shall come to Jerusalem and lay down his sceptre and crown on Mount Olivet. He shall be the last and consummate of the Roman and Christian Empire.

And immediately thereupon [after he lays down his sceptre and crown], according to the sentence of Paul, they [the Doctors] say Antichrist shall come.

St. Anselm

The Great King will wage war till he is fourty years of age. . . He will assemble great armies, and hurl back the tyrants out of his empire.

St. Cataldus

"The bride (Church) now all deformed and clothed in rags, will then gleam with beauty and jewels and crowned with the diadem of all virtue. All believing nations will rejoice and have such excellent and holy shepherds, and the unbelieving world, attracted by the glory of the Church, will be converted to her.

St. Catherine of Siena

By the grace of the Almighty, the Great Monarch will annihilate heretics and unbelievers. He will have a great army, and angels will fight at his side. He will be like the sun among the stars. His influence will spread over the whole earth. All in all, there will be on earth twelve Kings, one Emperor, one Pope and a few Princes. They will all lead holy lives."

. . . the Great Monarch . . . He shall be a great captain and prince of holy men, who shall be called 'the holy Cross-bearers of Jesus Christ,' with whom he will destroy the Mahometan sect and the rest of the infidels. He shall annihilate all the heresies and tyrannies of the world. He shall reform the Church of God by means of his followers, who shall be the best men upon the earth in holiness, in arms, in science, and in every virtue . . .They shall obtain dominion over the whole world, both temporal and spiritual . . .

God Almighty will exalt a very poor man of the blood of Emperor Constantine...who shall on his breast wear a sign which you have seen at the beginning of this letter (a red Cross) . . . He will gather a grand army, and the angels shall fight for them. . .

St. Francis of Paola

When everything has been ruined by war; when Catholics are hard pressed by traitorous co-religionists and heretics; when the Church and her servants are denied their rights, the monarchies have been abolished and their rulers murdered...then the hand of Almighty God will work a marvelous change, something apparently impossible according to human understanding. There will rise a valiant monarch anointed by God. He will be a Catholic, a descendant of Louis IX, (yet) a descendant of an ancient imperial German family, born in exile. He will rule supreme in temporal matters. The Pope will rule supreme in spiritual matters at the same time. Persecution will cease and justice shall reign. Religion seems to be oppressed, but by the changes of entire kingdoms it will be made more firm.

He will root out false doctrines and destroy the rule of the Moslemism. His dominion will extend from the East to the West. All nations will adore God their Lord according to Catholic teaching. There will be many wise and just men. The people will love justice, and peace will reign over the whole earth, for divine power will bind Satan for many years until the coming of the Son of Perdition.

The Fifth Epoch of time dates from the reign of Charles V until the reign of the Great Monarch.

The Sixth Epoch from the Great Monarch until Antichrist. This Sixth Epoch of the Church--'the time of consolation'--begins with the Holy Pope and the Powerful Emperor, and terminates with the reign of Antichrist. This will be an age of solace, wherein God will console His church after the many mortifications and afflictions she had endured in the Fifth period, for all nations will be brought to the unity of the true Catholic Faith.

Ven. Bartholomew Holzhauser

. . . near the time of the Antichrist, will come. . . a most violent conflict with the Roman Church such that there will be great tribulations. At this time, a schism will be produced in the bosom of the Church on the occasion of the election of the pope. . .  there is one who will be called the true pope, but he will not be truly so.

He will persecute the true pope and all those who obey him, so that the majority will declare themselves for the antipope rather than for the true pope. But this antipope will have a sad end, and the true one will remain the unique and uncontested pontiff.

Ven. Bernard de Bustis

When the entire world, and in a special way France, and in France especially the provinces of the north, of the east, and above all that of Lorraine and Champagne, shall have been laid waste by the greatest of miseries and trials, then the provinces shall be comforted by a prince who had been exiled in his youth, and who shall recover the crown of the lilies. The prince shall extend his dominion over the total universe. [Dominabitur per universum orbem.]

At the same time, by the will of God, a most holy man shall receive the Papacy, who will be most perfect in every spiritual perfection. This Pope will have with him the great Monarch, a most virtuous man, who shall be an eminent leader of the holy line of French Kings. This great Monarch shall assist the Pope in the reformation of the whole earth. Many nations and their princes that are living in error and impiety [at that time] shall be converted, and an admirable peace shall reign among men during many years, because the wrath of God shall be appeased through their repentance, penance, and good works. There will be one common law, only one faith, one baptism, one religion.

All nations shall recognize the Holy See of Rome, and shall pay homage to the Pope. But after an extended period of time fervor will cool, iniquity will abound, and moral corruption shall become worse than ever before, which shall bring upon mankind the last and worse persecution of Antichrist, and the end of the world.

St. Caesarius of Arles (6th Century)

Now to summarize and comment.

Most at least of these prophecies are concerned with the time before the end of the world, the lead up to the time of the Antichrist.

Bl. Hildegard? 's quote about aprons and tools I take to be a unmistakable reference to the Masons. Her quote about Lucifer, one could cross-reference to the famous vision of Pope Leo XIII.

The apparent end of time follows a sequence of events that in the prophecies above and some others appears to be thus, so far as I can tell -- I will try to polish this description further later:

There is a great persecution of the Church and apostasy, heresies on all levels, in and out. The Masons are involved to some degree. Wars are ongoing throughout the world. Governments are fractured and in turmoil. In France, this is especially the case, and no resolution can be found for proper government, the people are divided. At this time, a descendant of the French Kings in exile is put forth as the potential head of the government, and he is chosen for the office and takes it, though not without some military resistant as well as support.

Democracies and republics at this time will be on the wane.

Many further wars are fought, and the French King succeeds militarily and so, the Roman Empire is in a sense restored, because he rules either directly or by influence the entire world, the Moslem powers put down, the Communists, secular humanists, etc. as well subdued.

He is eminently Catholic and with the Pope restores Catholic government to the entire world. Nations which previously were entirely pagan, embrace the Faith. Miracles abound.. A period of peace envelops the world..

After some decades, the French King grows weak and old, and passes away. With his death, the corruption which had slowly attempted its return, truly returns.. and the Antichrist begins to take power.

... And that so far is all I have read. I am only summarizing what I have read in the above, not interpreting here, I want to make that clear.

But I will add that many people believe we are possibly near or even in that time that is the lead up to the King, i.e. when things will become pitch black, and so forth. The period of peace that the King brings reminds me of the period of peace promised by Fatima.

Also, potentially, it is all simply a foreshadowing of these later events. I do not know.

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Thank you so much for these!

Question - was Bavaria part of the Frankish Empire?

Shin, that is  a lot of research. I'm going to read it carefully and slowly.

Yes it was! All those beautiful castles now built by poor King Ludwig, Richard Wagner's compatriot.


I am just summarizing the quotes, but there are more quotes, many more.

Let me list some sources:

Trial, Tribulation, and Triumph by Desmond Birch
Catholic Prophecy by Yves Dupot
The Three Day's Darkness: Prophecies of Saints and Seers by Albert J. Hebert, S.M.
The Prophets and Our Times by Fr. Culleton
The Christian Trumpet by Fr. Gaudentius Rossi
Prophecy for Today by Edward Connor

Now, most of these sources I am citing from being quoted on the Internet. I do not have Hebert's. I have Birch's, Dupont's in paperback, most of Fr. Culleton's in etext, Fr. Rossi's in etext, and the rest I cite only cited on the net - but I have no reason to think the citations are inaccurate. On the other hand, I do not know how well translated, or how well sourced some of the quotations are, no reason to suspect particularly, but a little extra caution is prudent in how much weight some of this is given.

I believe Tan sells many of these books.

Prophecy people love to cite, so many of these books have basically either directly or through citation largely put online.

When in doubt about a particular point, the way to decide its weight is to cross-reference it to see if other saints, venerables, blesseds, etc. have supported that part of the prophecy as well. With saints having the most weight I might add, naturally.

Some of these books make inaccurate predictions based on the prophecies.

A few of the prophecies themselves are hard to reconcile, but not generally impossible to do so. Some are disturbing as well as difficult to reconcile, and I have not cited these yet because I am still trying to figure out whether they stand alone or have enough support.

Fr. Rossi, for example, has a timeline that is partially inaccurate, and scary, which has in 1890 the great monarch appearing, which is not the case, and so puts us directly in the time of the AntiChrist already. but that does not mean his quotations and citations are not useful, nor the reasons why he made such speculations are not worth trying to understand, and so on.

The main points though appear to show there's a good deal of prophetic weight behind the idea of a great Catholic monarch restoring Catholicism to the world after a time of great darkness for the Church, and spreading it where it had never successfully taken complete root before, and this before the end of the world. After this great monarch dies, the Antichrist's power will wax and the great faith that was throughout the world will wane, and times will become even darker than before, the darkest ever, before the very end.

I have not gone yet into Enoch and Elijah, and so forth, I will try to focus on particular areas when I have enough quotes and time. :)

Birch's book was quite helpful to me, I do not agree with everything in it, but he set the stage in many ways well in how he organized his quotations.

I am only going to say what I have read, again, I am going to refrain from making interpretations here as much as I can possibly help it, and note what few I make which should be generally simply common sense.

If reading a lot of this stuff is going to disturb you overly, don't and set it aside. If you have a tendency to take things too far, don't again. :) It's troubling stuff, we have to know how much we can handle and be careful!  :D

There are a lot of strange websites out there so safe surfing too if you do search for this stuff which you very much likely should be best off largely mortifying yourself in regard to too.

Again, I am so impressed. BTW, in your opinion do St. Malachi's predictions/prophecies fit with any of these?

I don't know. They're so close to their end we might well wait and see.  :D

Deo gratias et Marie semper Virgini.  :D

That's true.

I found I have more books than I thought, I do have Tan's 'The Prophets and Our Times' by Rev. Culleton, and their 'The Prophecies of St. Malachy'. I'm a big disorganized still.

Culleton's is proving invaluable. :)

Tan is proving a great book store as always!

Shin, what do you think of the apparition at Rianjo (1931) where Our Lord complains to Lucy ‘They did not wish to heed My request! ... Like the King of France they will repent of it, and they will do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread its errors in the world, provoking wars and persecutions against the Church. The Holy Father will have much to suffer.’ ?
If Our Lord compares the Consecration of Russia to what was requested of the King of France and it took a hundred years for punishment to fall  not on him but his grandson ,  King Louis XVI  (I hope I'm getting the facts right)  do you think it would be a hundred years before punishment falls on the world for not obeying Our Lady's requests, ....that would be 2013 (100 years after Fatima)    This is the year my brother thinks could be bad for us. But with God's idea of timeline you never know.

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You know more about Fatima than me actually, I am sure.

I am really just only getting my ducks in order on prophecy.

It's so much easier dealing with moral law than with prophecy. :)

It's another 'wait and see' moment for me.. It's possible.. But just that, a possibility, like others. Certainly Communism has done so much damage and is not done yet..

We can wait and see if something key happens then that could cause the fulfillment of that portion of Fatima's prophecies. It would likely be something that would cause a great deal of hate for the Church [ edit . . . ]

the rage could simply build and build.

2012 has come up.. 2013 being a hundred years later.. I don't know, I am not good with dates, and not yet familiar enough with prophecy and how it works to see how often and well we can make those kinds of date based conclusions. I can say that the devil often latches on to true prophecy and creates variations that are false, and the Lord sometimes does allow members of false religions to make true predictions. So when we see 2012 focused on for ridiculous reasons, the Mayan Calendar business.. that is not a sign that nothing will happen.. nothing may.. but something may just as well.. right around then.. for proper reasons simply not so popular

Right now in some countries priests are persecuted and killed. In America, we do not hear about how Christians and priests are tortured and killed around the world today.

This is all just speculation. I hate making speculative posts because I hate making mistakes and speaking without full knowledge. But it's good to make a fool of yourself sometimes, as long as you add a disclaimer. :)

All a little too much for you isn't it?  :D

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how's that for non-verbals?   :)

"A day will come when the civilized world will deny its God, when the Church will doubt as Peter doubted. She will be tempted to believe that man has become God. In our churches, Christians will search in vain for the red lamp where God awaits them. Like Mary Magdalene, weeping before the empty tomb, they will ask, "Where have they taken him?"

Pope Pius XII

wow this is really scary :( the quote about people thinking that man has become God... it makes me think that maybe the Antichrist will perform great signs and wonders...

does this quote mean that the Eucharist won't be in the Church anymore? :(

This cardinal will proclaim himself Anti-Pope, and two thirds of the Christians will go with him. He, also well as Antichrist, are descendants of Dan.

what does this mean?

And do you know who wrote/prophesied it?

That would be Bl. Hildegard?

The tribe of Dan is one of the Twelve Tribes of Israel.. or rather.. well.. It's the 'black sheep' tribe so to speak. In Revelation chapter 7, all the tribes are mentioned -except- Dan.

The Antichrist will be of Jewish origin, this is what the prophecies say. He will be the earthly 'Messiah' so long been awaited since they rejected Jesus because He was not one. Barabbas I think, would be symbolic of this.

'As Christ springs from the tribe of Juda, so Antichrist is to spring from the tribe of Dan. And that the case stands thus, we see also from the words of Jacob: "Let Dan be a serpent, lying upon the ground, biting the horse's heel." What then is meant by the serpent but Antichrist.'

St. Hippolytus

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The mass will be forbidden to be said publicly and churches will all be closed.. I do not know what the status of the underground will be at this point..

The Antichrist will perform signs and wonders, he will fake miracles through the powers of the devil.

'You must know that Antichrist will perform other prodigies by the power of demons and these will be true miracles according to the nature of things in themselves but false in regard to the definition of a miracle (i.e by the power of God). For he will cause images and babes of a month old to speak. The followers of Antichrist will question these statues or babies and they will make answer concerning this lord who has come in the latter times, affirming that he is the savior. The devil will move their lips and form the words they utter when they declare the Antichrist to be the true savior of the world and this way he will cause the destruction of many souls.

Those in the 3rd category whom he will try to seduce are learned folk such as masters and doctors of civil and canon law who can argue and grasp the proof of things. Against these Antichrist will weave spells of enchantments, bringing out the most subtle arguments, the most seductive reasoning, to render these learned men tongue-tied and incapable of answering. It is not difficult to understand how this is done since the demon already holds their souls in the chains of sin, for the greater their knowledge the more heavy burdened will be their consciences if they do not live up to it. If he can hold their souls on chains it is easy for him to bind a morsel of flesh like the tongue so that they cannot speak except when and what he chooses. The remedy for this state of bondage is faith, which follows simple obedience and not argument or reasoning. Argument may be good for the strengthening of intelligence but it is not the true foundation of faith. Those whose faith rests on reason will lose it when they hear the specious reasoning of Antichrist. Those on the contrary who rely on a firm belief founded on obedience will reply 'away with your arguments! Such reasonings are not the grounds of my faith.' The temporal lords and ecclesiastical prelates for fear of losing their power or position will be on his side, since there will exist neither king nor prelate unless he wills it.

St. Vincent Ferrer (1350-1419 A.D.)

wow... I wonder if these things will occur in our lifetimes.. I guess we will see.

I hope that there would still be the Mass, at least underground, so people can receive the Eucharist.

I think especially in this context, it makes sense for our faith to be based on obedience rather than reason or feeling. This kind of faith..that's based on obedience and love for God, is much stronger.

I don't really understand what the "Anti-Pope" is..is this a "false Pope"? Or would this person literally call himself the "Anti-Pope", and act against the Pope? will the people know who the true Pope is?

all the deception is what scares me the most here.

I believe it would be a person who proclaims himself Pope, who is not the Pope. This is what an anti-Pope is generally considered. Now that you bring it up it's interesting to try to figure out how such a figure could fit in with the AntiChrist who will deny Christ, and force all to do so. I suppose, not looking things up just this moment, so this is just supposition, that it would be because of the new religion the AntiChrist creates, that is a synthesis of all religions, and so, the Pope would have taken part of this synthesis up to this point, and syncretism, and so could make the 'leap' to worship of the AntiChrist at some point. That leap would at least make finally clear that this was an Antipope and not the true Pope if this was a question at that point still for some.

Signs and symbols are perfect for a prophecy thread!  8)

'... a great movement of apostasy being organized in every country for the establishment of a One-World Church which shall have neither dogmas, nor hierarchy, nor discipline for the mind, nor curb for the passions, and which, under the pretext of freedom and human dignity, would bring back to the world the reign of legalized cunning and force, the oppression of the weak, and of those who toil and suffer.'

'Indeed, the true friends of the people are neither revolutionaries, nor innovators: they are traditionalists.'

Pope St. Pius X, 'Our Apostolic Mandate'

that is scary, because I'm not sure how to not be deceived by this, as a Catholic who wants to follow the Pope.... :(

that makes me glad to be a traditionalist ;) I think it would be easier to recognize this type of "church".......

what scares me, is what if the Catholic Church would appear in this way too, but it would be the false Catholic Church, and the true one would be underground? but then how will we know? how do we know it's not happening now? that's what the sedevacantists are saying. but I think Pope Benedict is on the right path.

Well, I haven't read enough of the prophecies to know how the faithful will be able to discern the false from the true Pope, and there does not so far seem to be much prophetic material directly on an anti-Pope.. but it is obvious that at least it will -eventually- be clear that the person is an anti-Pope given who he will support.

We still haven't gone through the time of the great monarch.. nor all the tribulations before he arrives..

Reading the history of how people handled past historical anti-Popes has been on my 'things to do' list for awhile. Not done yet!  :D

do you mean that it's first tribulation, then the great monarch, and then the anti-Pope? in that order?

Things go roughly like this.. heresy and apostasy.. great tribulation.. war.. great monarch.. peace.. Catholicism triumphant over the entire world.. the great monarch dies.. the new faith throughout the world fails.. greatest tribulation, heresy, and apostasy ever in the world.. the AntiChrist comes to his full power.. then of course it all ends for him before too long thankfully.

When the AntiChrist is born, whether it is before the first tribulation.. or at some other time.. I do not know if the prophecies say..

But the anti-Pope who supports the Antichrist when he is in his full power (if this is how it works, I think it is?) would be a Pope after the time of the 'Great Monarch' and the time of the 'Great Monarch' has a -great- and -good- Pope like none other. So the prophecized false one would come after that one. I think.

My I'm speaking off the cuff a lot here to reply to you.. so take a few lumps, not just a grain of salt.. I am just beginning with gathering, sorting, and putting together these prophecy quotations.. I do -not- have a handle on this all yet. Disclaimer fin. :)

Pope Benedict recently met in Malta with victims of clerical child abuse and almost every victim had nothing but praise for the Pope who they said was genuine in his sorrow for them.
Did anyone read the revised rules on election of future Popes by John Paul ii?
When one reads them it would appear that the then Pope was making it most difficult for the forces of evil to infiltrate future electiobns and I suspect he was fully aware of this possibility.
I believe after Pope Benedict the possibility for deceit may be present.

No. I haven't read those, but now will!

How was he making hard for evil to infiltrate future elections? In what way do you think the possibility for deceit will be more present after Pope Benedict?

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The rules are so stringent and all of them fall under the penalty of excommunication for any Cardinal whio steps outside them.
Even to take issue with any of the rules has the same penalty.
Regarding a chance for deceit after Benedict. I think the wolves are out in numbers now against the church and especially the Ponificate.
I wouldn't be surprised if their are some already working on the inside.
That's just my feeling but I hope I'm wrong.

The current situation of the Church is a very difficult and unusual one, that is certain. It takes great prudence to navigate the waters of these times. I am still only beginning to understand so much about what has happened and is happening!

We must pray for the Church!

martinfegan posted:

I've worried about this and have been feeling that it's difficult for El Papa even within the curia. The modernism that has been so prevalent would make it easy to have infected the curia.

I just finished reading a book entitled AA-1025.  It deals with communist infiltration of the church since the 50's.
The AA-1025 refers to the number of the agent who's diary was discovered by a nurse who was trying to save his life after a car accident.
Has anyone else read this?

Yes, I've read it. I've been meaning to follow up reading it by reading Bella V. Dodd's, 'School of Darkness' but got bogged down in it shortly into it, and trying to study more what extent we can learn about the infiltration from what files of the KGB that were released after the fall of the U.S.S.R.

There's so much to read and consider, and so little time.

I am not entirely sure what I think of it, I might add.

No I haven't but it sounds really interesting. So does the one Shin was talking about - "School of Darkness".

Me neither Shin. The most striking part of the book is where his girl friend who's catholic enters a convent to pray for his salvation.
She writes him a letter which is one of the best testiments to the faith that your ever likely to read. It ads a bit of credibility to the whole thing.

You're making me more and more interested in reading it.

Yes that book too sounds interesting. It's a topic I don't much like but still wish to know the truth of things despite that.

I think I read  AA-1025 long back.  Could there actually be Communist spies among priests ? You never know. What if those who deliberately lead the flock astray are the ones?

Anyway, speculations aside, the coldness with which this Communist enters the priesthood and his hatred for the Church is mind-boggling.

Who's it by (AA-1025), martinfegan?

The copy I have Bridgid is by Marie Carre. Its a revised edition.

Rats. Our library doesn't have either.

Book aside -- Well, it is a fact that the Communists did infiltrate, but to what degree is the question.

I don't know if the book is online somewhere. I'm almost sure I read it online, or my brother might have sent it to me.


Shin, how do you know for a fact that the Communists infiltrated the Church?

There is an interview with Alice von Hildebrand which was first done by Latin Mass Magazine, and later published by Christian Order, that is still one the web if one looks for it. The article discusses the infiltration to a degree, mentioning Fr. Alighiero Tondi, S.J. who was a mole for the Communists, and the cause of many of our priests sent to evangelize the Soviet Union and the nations under her control's imprisonment and death. Time Magazine wrote about his 'conversion' to the Communist Party that is also online - He taught at Gregorian University and was an advisor to Bishop Montini, later Paul VI. He later publicly joined the Communist Party, was defrocked, and married.

Before recent times the Church Militant was just that.. now we are not, and we do not run things as if foreign governments were attempting to infilltrate us, and we need a militant stance of orthodoxy to prevent this, and a careful watch. Why has this changed? Well. We can ask for the public reasons, and we can ask for the reasons that are not from God, that underlie every undermining of the Church.

I have not gotten deeply into Bella V. Dodd's testimony about the infiltration yet, which she says was quite widespread and involved the seminaries, but we do know from secret police documents that were unveiled that at least many bishops were informing on their priests and seminarians in Communist Poland, the Catholic News Agency reported on this -- You can look up Archbishop Stanislaw Weilgus for information on one of these bishops.

I'll quote CNA:

"A special Church commission disclosed on Wednesday that about a dozen bishops, who are still living, had ties to Poland’s communist-era secret police.

The commission said that among Poland's 132 bishops, “about a dozen were registered by the security services of communist Poland as ‘secret collaborators’ or ‘operational contacts’ and one was registered as an “agent” of the intelligence service,” reported The Associated Press.

The secret police labeled other bishops as “candidates.” In such cases, security agents gathered material on a person in the hope of recruiting him as an informant.

This news comes at a time when Polish Catholics are still reeling from the shock of discovering that some of its clergy, previously known for their resistance to communism, had ties to the repressive government.

In order to uncover the extent of the connections between the clergy and the security services, the country’s bishops created a commission to investigate. The bishops asked the special commission to review the communist-era files in January, after Archbishop Stanislaw Wielgus of Warsaw resigned before his installation over disclosures he had cooperated with the former secret police. "

That is some of it.

I can't go too much into it because yet again, this is an area I have not completely enough significant research on. I have several books on the changes after the Council that might also draw light on this, 'Iota Unum' for example, a very heavy book, I have the articles I have put before you. There are some materials I cannot get ahold of. There is much reading to do to try to understand what has happened to the Church and why since the destruction after the Council. I do however, rather hope that my studies into prophecy will provide some guiding insights or even the key. Because, I as I thought a time back, "All this destruction should not simply be entirely unprophecized, it would seem unreasonable if it were not. There has to be something about it, and that may give me some of what I need to understand and rest more reliably in that understanding."

The difficulties post Council are one of the reasons I first began going to the saints completely for my spiritual understanding, to chart a reliable spiritual path through the smoke and fog of these times.

I didn't know about this Communist infiltration in Poland.  Even the pedophiles among priests may be another kind of diabolic infiltration (communists? ) to try to defame and ultimately destroy the Catholic Church , you never know. This is just a thought.

Well, the Devil's conspiracy is the true and ultimate and realest conspiracy. It is quite true that he is behind both these things. The people who conspire against the Church may be more or less organized, and to what extent we may never know in this life, or perhaps we may come close, who knows -- but in the next we will see, how everything was guided by both Providence and angels, and Satan and his devils, influencing men, so many of whom did not believe in that which influenced them.

I do have 'Goodbye Good Men', I've only read some of it. Things are not good right now in the Church, heresy, apostasy, Modernism, it is everywhere, high and low. But that does not mean God cannot guide us through it all. It is by such things that we each are put to the test, and show our own true colors, whether we love the truth and God or not. :)

Yes, no matter what rocks the Church one must stay faithful through thick and thin. We will know the complete reality only when God decides to reveal it or after death.

Whether certain fects were known or not  one could almost deduce by what has already happened in the church that something serious has gone wrong. [mod edit for content]
It would be even more surprizing if the enemies of the church didn't use such tactics as described earlier.
I've noticed too that on some catholic forums (this forum of course excluded) there are people who I feel are posing as catholics and putting in all sorts of subtle lies to confuse genuine users who are seeking answers to various questions.
Sticking to the traditions and standards that the church has always held is the only sure way to prevent being deceived.
Thank God for the Saints. We can't go wrong by heeding them.

Here're some further quotes.. I might add, as with all quotes, I prefer saints quotes above all others..  :D

"During the time of the approach of the punishments announced at La Salette, an unlimited amount of false revelations will arise from Hell like a swarm of flies; a last attempt of Satan to choke and destroy the belief in the true revelations by false ones."

Prophecy of Marie Julie Jahenny, Briton Stigmatist (1891)
(Rev. R. Gerald Culleton, The Reign of Antichrist, p. 177.)

'The apostasy of the city of Rome from the vicar of Christ and its destruction by Antichrist may be thoughts so new to many Catholics, that I think it well to recite the text of theologians of greatest repute. First Malvenda, who writes expressly on the subject, states as the opinion of Ribera, Gaspar Melus, Biegas, Suarrez, Bellarmine and Bosius that Rome shall apostatise from the faith, drive away the Vicar of Christ and return to its ancient paganism. . . Then the Church shall be scattered, driven into the wilderness, and shall be for a time, as it was in the beginning, invisible hidden in catacombs, in dens, in mountains, in lurking places; for a time it shall be swept, as it were from the face of the earth. Such is the universal testimony of the Fathers of the early Church.'

Henry Edward Cardinal Manning, The Present Crisis of the Holy See, 1861, London: Burns and Lambert, pp. 88-90

"Men will surrender to the spirit of the age. They will say that if they had lived in our day, Faith would be simple and easy. But in their day, they will say, things are complex; the Church must be brought up to date and made meaningful to the day’s problems. When the Church and the World are one, then those days are at hand. Because our Divine Master placed a barrier between His things and the things of the world."

St. Anthony of the Desert (4th Century) [Disquisition CXIV]
(Quoted in Voice of Fatima, January 23, 1968).

This last quote I can't source back further than an attribution to the 'Voice of Fatima' 1968, said 'Voice of Fatima' perhaps the official work of the Bishop of Fatima -- but I do not even have that in its original. I have not found anything in existence about any Disquisitions of St. Anthony or Disquisition CXIV. I do not know what the entire official works of St. Anthony are.

Given its contents, this last quote needs further backup. That said I have only done some Internet searching to try to find it, not inquired further at this point.

At first glance people might think it didn't need further backup, but it does because it's very serious if accurate. The language of the translation is very telling.

That said, even without backup, the spiritual sentiments of it.. the content and the problems it calls note to can be immediately understood.

Patricia earlier you mentioned Rianjo, let's quote it and part of an article on it here. Do you know more about it?

The Apparition at Rianjo (1931)

        In August 1931, due to illness, Sister Lucy was staying with a friend at Rianjo, Spain, a small maritime city near Pontevedra, to rest and recover. It was in the chapel here that the Messenger of Fatima was once again given a communication from Heaven. Our Lord complained to Sister Lucy of the tardiness of His ministers who delay the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, as requested by Our Lady of Fatima on June 13, 1929 at Tuy, two years and two months earlier. Sister Lucy reported to her bishop the important revelation:

    My confessor ordered me to inform Your Excellency about what happened a little while ago, between our Good God and myself: As I was asking God for the conversion of Russia, Spain and Portugal, it seemed that His Divine Majesty said to me:

    ‘You console Me a great deal in asking Me for the conversion of those poor nations: Request it also of My Mother, while saying to Her often: Sweet Heart of Mary, be the salvation of Russia, Spain, Portugal, Europe and the whole world.

    ‘At other times say: By Thy Pure and Immaculate Conception, O Mary, obtain for me the conversion of Russia, Spain, Portugal, Europe and the whole world.

    ‘Make it known to My ministers, given that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My command, they will follow him into misfortune. It is never too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary.’

        In another text she wrote,

    Later, through an intimate communication, Our Lord complained to me: ‘They did not wish to heed My request! ... Like the King of France they will repent of it, and they will do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread its errors in the world, provoking wars and persecutions against the Church. The Holy Father will have much to suffer.’

       Our Lord was here making an explicit reference to the requests of the Sacred Heart given through Saint Margaret Mary Alacoque on June 17, 1689 to the King of France. As a result of the refusal of King Louis XIV – as well as the refusal of both his son and grandson, King Louis XV and King Louis XVI – to publicly consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, as was requested by Heaven by means of a recognized French Saint of that time, the Protestant and Masonic Counter-Church successfully carried out the great upheaval of the French Revolution.

        On June 17, 1789, (the Feast of the Sacred Heart) exactly one hundred years to the day from when Saint Margaret Mary had written down the great designs of Heaven for the King, the Third Estate rose up and proclaimed itself a National Assembly, stripping King Louis XVI of his legislative power. On January 21, 1793, France, ungrateful and rebellious to its God, dared to decapitate its most Christian King as if he were a criminal. At Rianjo, Jesus warns us that this dark chapter of history will repeat itself, and this time the ministers of His Church – the bishops, and perhaps even the Pope himself – will be among its hapless victims.

Not many people are aware of the Apparition at Rianjo (1931)  I know as much about it as you , Shin from what you have posted above.


This complaint of Our Lord fills me with fear. He says ' Like the King of France they will repent of it, and they will do it, but it will be late...'  He is talking about the request of Our Lady of Fatima to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  It will be late...that spells disaster for me .  Our disobedience is bringing in world chastisement. 
My brother wonders if 2017 will be the year when the triumph of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart will come about and when a hundred years will be completed since the request of Our Lady, like the hundred years that passed since the request of the Sacred Heart to St. Margaret Mary.  Hundred years later the King of France was decapitated. What will happen 100 years since the request of Our Lady of Fatima, I shudder to think.  But my hope and prayer is that the Pope will finally consecrate Russia and bring about world peace and avert the inevitable chastisement that will follow disobedience.

One of the articles in the modesty section of the website is by Rev. Bernard Kunkel, entitled 'Certain Fashions Threaten to Retard Mary's Triumph and World Peace' (http://www.saintsworks.net/Modesty%20and%20Purity%20-%20Rev.%20Father%20Bernard%20Kunkel%20-%20Certain%20Fashions.html)

He says, "How can we expect Mary's triumph and world peace in an unchastened human society?"

Basically, Fr. Ripperger has said, if I recall correctly, that at this level of corruption a civilization has to fall apart and/or go through a great deal of trouble and disaster to reform morally, as it's not at a reformable stage without it. And spiritually chastisement simply has to happen.

I just don't see societal morals reforming in a way that produces true spiritual peace without something like that, I really find it hard to imagine anything that would otherwise reform hmm.. the family, purity issues, etc.

This prophecy thread is becoming a great reference.

Here're links to two other threads with information that fits into what is here.

First: The Three Days of Darkness (http://saintsworks.net/forums/index.php?topic=406.15)
Second: Our Lady of Good Success (http://saintsworks.net/forums/index.php?topic=716.0)

Now to continue..

As we learn from such as St. Gaspar, and Dupont's work, and Dupont has he has said, records of far more prophecies than he has published..

That after the Three Days of Darkness there will be few people left, and those that are, will return to the simpler life, a less technological life.. The kind of life that one might have found at St. Padre Pio's village, or Our Lord and Our Lady living..

Or Plain Catholic, who I miss seeing, but then it is Lent, so I expect she might be being even more good about computers. We could take lessons from her.. I wish she was here..

That said I think that it may be that mainly only people who are living the simpler life already will make it through the Three Days of Darkness..

It seems he thinks major cities are going to be destroyed.. And also of course, it's harder to live decently there..

I was just thinking earlier today, something that has always been on my mind, for some reason or other since I was young.. what it would be like to live as self sufficiently as possible.. growing one's own food.. making one's own clothes.. one's own paper.. soap.. supplies.. etc. Using heirloom seeds (that is seeds that when you farm, produce produce that has seeds you can use).. And wishing I had a book on how to do it, and wondering what books and resources were out there..

That's to a degree what the monastic life can be like.. too..

And I was commenting a bit ago, about how, when one lives a less technologically oriented life, the natural law takes effect more.. it is technology which is responsible for many of the deviations in the family life.. the roles of men and women.. and so forth.. they fall into place again, without the 'conveniences' and 'entertainment'..

So too, truly valuable work done becomes possible again.. rather than work that is part of this system of corruption.. where so many employments require one to set aside moral principles (which is never allowable) to be a part of it..

Whole families living together.. simpler lives, but lives closer to one another.. grandparents.. children.. grandchildren.. all together..

Here, next I'm going to post Dupont on the Three Days of Darkness.. And what he believes is the lead up to it, from his research..

[edit: made a correction about the cities]

Dupont believes in 'The Warning' and 'The Miracle'.. two events which I am not studied on.. so I cannot say much about at this point.. I do not know all the sources about them..

In other words, I don't have quotes at this point.

So FWIF:

I will quote how he describes them:

"THE WARNING AND THE MIRACLE

These will take place between the proximate and the immediate signs. Both will be supernatural occurrences, and the Miracle will closely follow the Warning. There will be a solar prodigy; a Cross will be visible in the sky all over the world. The Warning will be associated with the letter "A"; it will not fall on a Feast day of Our Lady, nor on the 18th of the month.

The Miracle will fall on the Feast day of a young martyr of the Eucharist; this will be on a Thursday evening, and it will coincide with an important Church event.

Since the Miracle is to be seen only in Northern Spain and in Rome, and since the Cross in the sky is to be seen everywhere, it seems that the latter occurrence will take place with the Warning, not with the Miracle. However, the Miracle may also have a Cross in the sky.

During the Warning, everyone will be made aware of his/her own sinfulness, and many will wish to die, but the Warning itself will be completely harmless.

Both the Warning and the Miracle must be viewed as the last act of mercy from God, a final appeal to mankind to do penance before the three days of darkness and the destruction of three-quarters of the human race. At a time when the murder of unborn babies and the sin of Sodom and Lesbos have become respectable and sometimes legal, we should not wonder why God is going to punish mankind.

By that time, war and revolution will have already caused a high deathtoll, and Communism will be victorious, but all this will be as nothing compared with the deathtoll caused by the Three Days."

That's from Dupont.. now to continue.. FWIF the lead up to the Three Days he believes is the above.. Next the events of the Three Days of Darkness described...

"THE IMMEDIATE SIGN

It will be a bitterly cold winter night in the Northern hemisphere. (Presumably, a very cold summer night in Australia or, by contrast, a torrid night.) The wind will howl and roar. Lightning and thunderbolts of an unprecedented magnitude will strike the earth. The whole earth will shake, heavenly bodies will be disturbed – (this will be the beginning of the Three Days). Every Demon, every evil spirit will be released from hell and allowed to roam the earth. Terrifying apparitions will take place. Many will die from sheer fright. Fire will rain forth from the sky, all large cities will be destroyed, poisonous gases will fill the air, cries and lamentations everywhere. The unbelievers will burn in the open like withered grass. The entire earth will be afflicted; it will look like a huge graveyard.

As soon as you notice that bitterly cold night, go indoors, lock all doors and windows, pull down the blinds, stick adhesive paper on vents and around windows and doors. Do not answer calls from outside, do not look at the windows, or you will die on the spot: keep your eyes down to make sure you do not see the windows; the Wrath of God is mighty and no one should attempt to behold it. Light blessed wax candles; nothing else will burn, but the candles will not be extinguished once lit. Nothing will put them out in the houses of the faithful, but they will not burn in the houses of the godless. Sprinkle holy water about the house and especially in the vicinity of doors and windows: the devils fear holy water. Bless yourself with it and anoint your five senses with it: eyes, ears, nose, mouth, hands, feet, and forehead. Keep on hand a sufficient supply of drinking water and, if possible, food also (but you can live without food for three days.) Kneel down and pray incessantly with outstretched arms, or prostrate on the floor. Make acts of contrition, faith, hope, and charity. Above all say the Rosary and meditate on the Sorrowful mysteries.

Some people, especially children, will be taken up to Heaven beforehand to spare them the horror of these days. People caught outdoors will die instantly. Three-quarters of the human race will be exterminated, – more men than women. No one will escape the terror of these days.

But, when all seems lost and hopeless, then, in the twinkling of an eye, the ordeal will be over: the sun will rise and shine again as in springtime over a purified earth.

Some nations will disappear entirely, and the face of the earth will be changed. There will be no more "Big Business" and huge factories which sap men's souls. Craftsmanship will revive, and assembly lines will give way to the working bench.

People will return to the land, but food will be scarce for about three years. Married women will bear many children, for it will be regarded as a disgrace not to have children, – no more "career women" addicted to the "pill". Unmarried females, – there will be many, will enter the religious orders and form large congregations of Nuns within the reborn Church. Disease will decrease dramatically, and mental illnesses will be rare, for man will have retrieved his natural environment. It will be an age of faith, true brotherhood between neighbors, civil harmony, peace, and prosperity. The land will yield crops as never before. Police will have little work to do: crime will disappear almost entirely. Mutual trust and honesty will be universal. There will be little work for lawyers, either. All the manpower which is currently taken up by the wickedness of the modern world will be released and available for the production of useful commodities. Thus, prosperity will be very great. This wonderful period will probably last 30 years approximately.

As soon as you see the sun rise again at the end of the Three Days, drop to your knees and give thanks to God."

And lastly.. He adds:

"Be warned, SPREAD THE MESSAGE, but do not fear: it would be an offense to God to show lack of confidence in His protection. Those who spread the message will be protected, but the scoffers, the skeptics, and those who dismiss the message because they are frightened, will not escape the chastisement.

WHAT TO DO NOW

SPREAD THE MESSAGE; do not be put out by those who laugh it off or think you are a bit odd. This is the price we have to pay, for no disciple of Christ can escape scorn or even persecution. Remain in the state of grace. Go to Mass, and regularly receive Holy Communion. Say your rosary every day. Obtain some wax candles and have these blessed by a Traditionalist priest. Do not buy ordinary white candles; they are not made of wax. Do not trust either a "new-breed" priest to bless your candles. Pray for the Church and for the Pope in particular; it is not for us to judge the Pope, no matter what he does or says, – this is God's prerogative, but we must pray for him. Say the prayer to St. Michael which Leo XIII composed after witnessing a terrifying vision of Satan's power. Wear the Brown Scapular and the miraculous medal. Deny yourself some legitimate pleasures and entertainment; many seers insist on this. Eat sparingly, frugally, to sustain life more than to gratify the palate. When the proximate signs are over, i.e., war and revolution culminating in the victory of communism, when you behold the Warning, then store up food, drinking water, blankets and other necessities."

If Warning associated with the letter "A" then maybe in April or August or an "A" feast day.

This is a truly beautiful and holy thought Susanna!


Hmm.. I wonder what it all means..

'And the brother said to him: 'What then? Shall the customs and Traditions of the Christians change, and shall there be no priests in the Church so that such things happen?’

And the elder said: ‘In times such as those, the love of many shall grow cold, and there shall be not a little tribulation: overrunning of nations and movement of peoples, apostasy of kings, prodigality of priests, negligence of those in monastic life; and there shall be superiors disdaining their own salvation and that of their flocks; all of them eager and outstanding at banquets, contentious, indolent in prayers, and eager to slander, ready to condemn the lives of the Elders and their sayings, neither imitating nor hearing them, but rather reviling them and saying: 'If we had lived in those days, we too would have struggled.' And the bishops in those days shall be respecters of powerful persons, making decisions according to gifts, not defending the poor under judgment, oppressing widows, abusing orphans; and unbelief shall enter into the people, depravity, hatred, enmity, jealousy, rivalries, thievery, drunkenness.'

And the brother said: 'What then is one to do in those times and years?' And the elder said: 'Child, in such days as these, he who can, let him save his own soul, and he shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.'"'

- the sayings of the Desert Fathers

The last words of this came to mind so I looked this passage up again. I have often thought of these last words.

"He who can, let him save his own soul, and he shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven."

That's the best thing I've seen on this thread.

A lot of these prophecies are a little vague, it seems. It's so easy to get caught up in the details, when what we really need to know is that 1) the Bible and the saints predict a time of apostasy, 2) this is such a time, and 3) Jesus promised that the gates of Hell would never prevail against the Church.

I see some posts coming dangerously close to questioning the validity of the current Church.