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It was a revolution
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"We found subtle ways of changing the words and dignifying these changes with decent, hopeful, positive expressions,
It was a revolution ... we were literally changing the faith of the Catholic Church because we were changing the way it prays.
Never in the history of the Catholic Church has there been such a revolutionary change in the Mass (and the rest of the Liturgy) as has occurred since the 1960s. Has it been a harmful revolution? Indeed it has! Millions of Catholics have stopped practising their faith in this period, tens of thousands of priests have quit the priesthood, religious orders are dying, and whole new currents of heretical opinion are flowing through the surviving Church."
--Fr. Stephen Somerville, a member of the original ICEL commission that created the English New Order Mass in the 1960's
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Friends,
I believe it is my duty as a Catholic to inform those of you who are unaware of what has taken place in the Church since Vatican II that a revolt has taken place in the Church. With Vatican II the Mass has substantially changed, substantial changes to the Mass are never permitted according to Church teaching; Church doctrine has substantially changed, substantial changes to doctrine are never permitted according to Church teaching; most of the Sacraments have been substantially changed, substantial changes to the Sacraments are never permitted according to Church teaching. Mind you, we are not dealing with accidental changes, which are permitted, but with substantial changes, which are never permitted. Things were done with the 1917 Code of Canon Law that were not permitted.
If most Catholics only knew what Popes and Councils had taught before Vatican II, there would not be such a huge problem of ignorance among Catholics pertaining to this revolt in the Church brought about with Vatican II and there would not be such grand scale apostasy. Less than 1% of Catholics know that a revolt has taken place in the Church, these traditional Catholics have maintained their Catholic Faith intact. The rest of men have fallen prey to the Modernists and to the modernist Church, without a clue that they are in a modernist church that only claims to be the Catholic Church. If Catholics only knew their Baltimore Catechism, they'd be able to catch Vatican II errors; but Catholics today have either forgotten their catechism or have never known it. Shortly after Vatican II children were not taught the Baltimore Catechism but were given some watered down teachings that have paved the way to their loss of faith.
It is Our Lady of La Salette who informs us that, “The Church will be in eclipse, the world will be in dismay." It is so true that the true Church is now in eclipse and that the world is in dismay. The modernist church has eclipsed the true Church, the Roman Catholic Church. The world is being punished, Catholics included.
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"Blind that they [the Modernists] are, and leaders of the blind, inflated with a boastful science, they have reached that pitch of folly where they pervert the eternal concept of truth and the true nature of the religious sentiment. With that new system of theirs, they are seen to be under the sway of a blind and unchecked passion for novelty, thinking not at all of finding some solid foundation of truth, but despising the holy and apostolic traditions, they embrace other vain, futile, uncertain doctrines, condemned by the Church, on which, in the height of their vanity, they think they can rest and maintain truth itself."
--Pope Gregory XVI (1831-1846)
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"The fort is betrayed even of them that should have defended it."
--St. John Fisher, 16th-century English bishop
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"They knew only too well the intimate bond that unites faith with worship, "the law of belief with the law of prayer," and so, under the pretext of restoring it to its primitive form, they corrupted the order of the liturgy in many respects to adapt it to the errors of the Innovators."
--Pope Leo XIII (1878-1903), Apostolicae Curae, September 13, 1896
'Hence arose the monstrous errors of "Modernism," which Our Predecessor [Pope St. Pius X] rightly declared to be "the synthesis of all heresies," and solemnly condemned. We hereby renew that condemnation in all its fullness, Venerable Brethren, and as the plague is not yet entirely stamped out, but lurks here and there in hidden places, We exhort all to be carefully on their guard against any contagion of the evil, to which we may apply the words Job used in other circumstances: "It is a fire that devoureth even to destruction, and rooteth up all things that spring" (Job 31:12). Nor do We merely desire that Catholics should shrink from the errors of Modernism, but also from the tendencies or what is called the spirit of Modernism. Those who are infected by that spirit develop a keen dislike for all that savors of antiquity and become eager searchers after novelties in everything: in the way in which they carry out religious functions, in the ruling of Catholic institutions, and even in private exercises of piety. Therefore it is Our will that the law of our forefathers should still be held sacred: "Let there be no innovation; keep to what has been handed down." In matters of faith that must be inviolably adhered to as the law; it may however also serve as a guide even in matters subject to change, but even in such cases the rule would hold: "Old things, but in a new way."'
--Pope Benedict XV (1914-1922), Encyclical Letter "Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum," November 1, 1914
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"The Church must steadily and firmly heed that although the language of the people may change, the language of liturgy should not be altered. Thus, the Mass must be said in the language in which it was said from the beginning, even if such a language be already, antiquated and strange to the people, for it is wholly enough, if the learned men understand it."
--Pope Benedict XIV (1740-1758), De Missae Sacrificio, 2, II
"Men will surrender to the spirit of the age. They will say that if they had lived in our day, faith would be simple and easy. But in their day, they will say, things are complex; the Church must be brought up to date and made meaningful to the day's problems."
--Saint Anthony (ca. 251-356)
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"Hence, that meaning of the sacred dogmata is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by Holy Mother Church, and there must never be an abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding.... If anyone says that it is possible that at some given time, given the advancement of knowledge, a sense may be assigned to the dogmata propounded by the Church which is different from that which the Church has always understood and understands: let him be anathema."
- Vatican Council (1870)
"It behooves us unanimously and inviolably to observe the ecclesiastical traditions, whether codified or simply retained by the customary practice of the Church."
- St. Peter Canisius (1521-1597), Summae Doctrinae Christianae
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“Reveal to the faithful the wolves which are demolishing the Lord's vineyard.”
—Pope Clement XIII, Encyclical Christianae Reipublicae (1766)
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Quote from: Therese on February 23, 2016, 08:18:59 PM
“Reveal to the faithful the wolves which are demolishing the Lord's vineyard.”
—Pope Clement XIII, Encyclical Christianae Reipublicae (1766)
I was wondering why no one has commented to this thread. Shin and Cyril, you guys seem to be the most active on this forum. Do you have any thoughts about this thread pertaining to the second vatican council being a revolution [a revolt] from the consistent teachings of the Catholic church?
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