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« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2011, 12:03:13 PM »
I love this subject, Shin!  I'd be interested in reading the Book Study forum when it gets into the subject of Divine Providence.
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« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2011, 12:11:45 PM »
It's a popular one isn't it!

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Thanks be to God for the saints!
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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2011, 02:04:50 PM »
Shin, it's the most comforting topic for me.  To think that everything that God sends our way is for our own good!
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« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2011, 02:11:48 PM »
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Shin, it's the most comforting topic for me.  To think that everything that God sends our way is for our own good!

Yes, it changes everything. Completely.
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« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2011, 03:44:12 PM »
Hmm... If we could only understand that everything God permits is for our own good. All these trouble endured and offered to console the most sorrowful hearts of Jesus and Mary help us get to heaven whether we know it or not. I pray much for this realization to sink in.

Eternal God, in whom mercy is endless and the treasury of compassion inexhaustible, look kindly upon us and increase Your mercy in us, that in difficult moments we might not despair nor become despondent, but with great confidence submit ourselves to Your holy will, which is Love and Mercy itself.
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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2011, 09:08:22 PM »
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Quote from: Therese on February 21, 2011, 02:04:50 PM
Shin, it's the most comforting topic for me.  To think that everything that God sends our way is for our own good!

Yes, it changes everything. Completely.


Absolutely.
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« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2011, 03:01:15 PM »
Quote from: Therese on February 21, 2011, 12:03:13 PM
I love this subject, Shin!  I'd be interested in reading the Book Study forum when it gets into the subject of Divine Providence.

We're there. Cheesy

Fr. Furniss will go into a familiar story next too.
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« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2011, 05:57:49 PM »
Great!
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« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2011, 01:26:06 AM »
In the Catechism of the Catholic Church we read:

"311 ...God is in no way, directly or indirectly, the cause of moral evil." And there is a reference to St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas.

In the Epistle of St. James the Apostle (Douay Rheims version) St. Jerome introduces a chapter saying that God is not the author or evil.

I realize that St. James must be talking about moral evil.  Moral evil is sin, right?
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« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2011, 01:34:50 AM »
Yes, just so, sin in the interior sense in this case we would have to hold.

I tend to prefer the other catechisms. Cheesy



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« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2011, 02:42:43 PM »
Thanks Shin! Smiley
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« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2011, 09:26:04 PM »
Here's another story of surrender to Providence. From the Gesta Romanorum.
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« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2011, 06:43:30 PM »
Speaking of God allowing evil to happen to us reminds me of a favorite quote from Imitation of Christ, Book 3 Ch 13:

"...thou who hast so often offended God and so very many times deserved hell? 

But Mine eye hath spared thee, because thy soul was precious in My sight; that thou mightest know My love, and mightest always live thankful for My benefits; and that thou mightest give thyself altogether to true subjection and humility, and patiently bear the contempt which thou meritest." 
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« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2011, 07:06:56 PM »
Quote from: susanna on March 01, 2011, 06:43:30 PM
Speaking of God allowing evil to happen to us reminds me of a favorite quote from Imitation of Christ, Book 3 Ch 13:

"...thou who hast so often offended God and so very many times deserved hell? 

But Mine eye hath spared thee, because thy soul was precious in My sight; that thou mightest know My love, and mightest always live thankful for My benefits; and that thou mightest give thyself altogether to true subjection and humility, and patiently bear the contempt which thou meritest." 
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A very reassuring quote.  God is so good!
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« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2011, 10:57:50 PM »
I love the quote from the Imitation Susanna!
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« Reply #47 on: March 02, 2011, 10:17:13 PM »
'The beginner, moved by fear, patiently bears the Cross of Christ; the one who has already made some progress on the road to perfection, inspired by hope, carries it cheerfully; the perfect soul; consumed by love, embraces it ardently.'

St. Bernard of Clairvaux (1 Serm. S. Andreae, 5)

[three degrees of conformity, of submission to God's will]
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