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« Reply #51 on: January 19, 2015, 03:39:56 AM »

167. Auh ca oquihuelmocaquiti in mi'iyotzin in motlatoltzin; auh oquimopaccacelili in ticmitlania in itla inezca, ineltica, inic mochihuaz moneltiliz in itlanequiliztzin. 
And she listened carefully to your breath, your word, and was pleased to receive your request for the sign, the proof, so that her beloved will can be done, can be carried out. 
168. Auh ye in in axcan oc yohuatzinco onechmonahuatili inic occeppa nimitznottiliquiuh. 
And today, while it was still night, she ordered me to come again to see you. 
169. Auh onicnitlanilili in itla inezca inic nineltocoz, in yuh onechmolhuili nechmomaquiliz, auh ca zan niman oquimoneltilili. 
And I asked her for the proof so that I would be believed, as she had said that she would give it to me, and she kept her promise immediately. 
170. Auh onechmihuali in icpac tepetzintli in canin yeppa noconnottiliani inic ompa nictetequitiuh in nepapan Caxtillan xochitl. 
And she ordered me to the top of the little hill where I had seen her before, to cut different flowers up there; Castilian roses. 


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« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2015, 03:32:42 AM »

171. Auh in onictequito, onic'hualnohuiquilili in oncan tlatzintlan; 
And when I had cut them, I took them down to her at the bottom; 
172. auh ca imaticatzinco conmocuili, 
and she took them with her holy hands, 
173. occeppa nocuixanco oconhualmotemili, 
again she placed them in the hollow of my tilma (cuexäntli), 
174. inic nimitzhualnotquililiz in huel Tehuatzin nimitznomaquiliz. 
so that I would bring them to you, so I would give them only to you. 

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« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2015, 02:18:16 AM »

175. Macihui in ca huel nicmattia camo imochiuhyan xochitl in icpac tepetzintli, ca zan tetexcalla, netzolla, huitztla, tenopalla, mizquitla. Amo ic oninotzotzon; amo ic nomeyolloac. 
Although I knew very well that the top of the hill isn't a place where flowers grow, because there are only a lot of craggy rocks, thorns, spiny acacias, prickly pears, mesquite bushes. I didn't doubt because of that; I didn't hesitate because of that. 
176. In nacito in icpac tepetzintli in nitlachix ca ye xochitlalpan. 
When I reached the top of the hill I saw that it was now paradise. 
177. Oncan cenquiztoc in ixquich nepapan tlazoxochitl caxtillancayotl ahuach, tonameyotoc, inic niman onictetequito. 
Every kind of different precious flowers were there, each one perfect, the very finest that there are, full of dew and shining so I immediately cut them. 
178. Auh onechmolhuili inic ipampa nimitznomaquiliz; auh ca ye yuh nic neltilia inic oncan ticmottiliz in itla nezcayotl in ticmitlanilia inic ticmoneltililiz in itlanequiliztzin. 
And she told me that I should give them to you from her, and that in this way I would show the truth; that your should see the sign that you were asking for in order to carry our her beloved will. 

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« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2015, 03:52:08 AM »

179. Ihuan inic neci ca neltiliztli in notlatol, in nonetitlaniz. 
And so that it will be clear that my word, my message, is truth. 
180. Ca izca; ma xicmocelili." 
Here they are; please receive them." 
181. Auh ca niman ic quihualzouh in iztac itilma in oquicuixanoticaca xochitl. 
And then he held out his white tilma, in the hollow of which he had placed the flowers. 
182. Auh in yuh hualtepeuh in ixquich nepapan caxtillan xochitl. 
And just as all the different Castilian roses fell out upon the floor, 

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« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2015, 09:57:25 AM »

  :principalities: Hail Mary; full of grace.
The Lord is with you.Blessed art thou amongst women,
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners,
Now and at the hour of our death.
Amen

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« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2015, 08:20:09 PM »

Amen.  cross prayer rejoice
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'Flores apparuerunt in terra nostra. . . Fulcite me floribus. (The flowers appear on the earth. . . stay me up with flowers. Sg 2:12,5)
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« Reply #57 on: January 24, 2015, 03:13:20 AM »

183. Niman oncan, momachioti, neztiquiz in Itlazoixiptlatzin iz Cenquizca Ichpochtli SantaMaria Teotl Dios Inantzin in yuhcatzintli axcan moyetztica, 
then and there, the beloved Image of the Perfect Virgin Holy Mary, Mother of God, became the sign, suddenly appeared in the form and figure in which it is now, 
184. in oncan axcan mopixtzinotica in itlazochantzinco in iteocaltzinco Tepeyacac, motocayotia Guadalupe. 
where it is preserved in her beloved little house, in her sacred little house at Tepeyac, which is called Guadalupe. 
185. Auh in oyuhquimottili in Tlatoani Obispo ihuan in ixquichtin oncan catca motlancuaquetzque, cenca quimahuizoque. 
And as soon as the Governing Bishop and all those who were there saw it, they knelt, they were full of awe and reverence. 
186. Quimotztimoquetzque, tlaocoxque, moyoltoneuhque, yuhquin ahcoya in inyollo inintlalnamiquiliz. 
They stood up to see it, they became sad, they wept, and their hearts and minds were then in ecstasy. 

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« Reply #58 on: January 25, 2015, 02:46:02 AM »

187. Auh in Tlatoani Obispo choquiztica, tlaocoyaliztica quimotlatlauhtili, quimitlanilili in itlapopolhuililoca inic amo niman oquineltili, in itlanequiliztzin, in i'iyotzin in itlatoltzin. 
And the Governing Bishop weeping and with sadness begged and asked her to forgive him for not having immediately carried out her will, her holy breath, her holy word. 
188. Auh in omoquetz quihualton in iquechtlan ic ilpitacatca in itlaquen, in itilma Juan Diego, 
And when he got up, he untied Juan Diego's garment, his tilma, from his neck where it was tied, and 
189. in itech omonexiti in oncan omomachiotitzino in Ilhuicac Cihuapilli. 
on which the Queen of Heaven appeared, on which she became the sign. 
190. Auh niman ic quimohuiquili; ompa quimotlalilito in ineteochihuayan. 
And then he took it and placed it in his private chapel. 

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« Reply #59 on: January 26, 2015, 02:45:41 AM »

191. Auh oc onca ocemilhuiti in Juan Diego in ichantzinco Obispo; oc quimotzicalhui. 
And Juan Diego still stayed for the day in the Bishop's house, he still kept him there. 
192. Auh in imoztlayoc quilhui: "Zaque, inic ticteittitiz in canin itlanequiliztzin Ilhuicac Cihuapilli quimoquechililizque in iteocaltzin." 
And on the next day he said to him: "Come, let's go so you can show where is that the Queen of Heaven wants her chapel built." 
193. Niman ic tetlalhuiloc inic mochihuaz moquetzaz. 
People were immediately invited to make it, to build it.

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« Reply #60 on: January 27, 2015, 03:53:38 AM »

194. Auh in Juan Diego in oyuhquitteititi in canin quimonahuatili in Ilhuicac Cihuapilli moquetzaz iteocaltzin, nimac ic tenahuati; 
And Juan Diego, as soon as he showed where the Lady of Heaven had ordered her sacred little house to be built, asked for permission; 
195. in oc onaciznequi in ichan inic conittatiuh in itlatzin Juan Bernardino in huellanauhtoc, in icuac quihualcauhtehuac ceme quinotzazquia teopixque in oncan Tlatilolco, inic quiyolcuitizquia, quicencahuazquia, in quimolhuili Ilhuicac Cihuapilli in ye opatic. 
he wanted to go to his house in order to see his uncle, Juan Bernardino, who was very ill when he left him to go to Tlatilolco to call a priest to confess him and prepare him, the one whom the Queen of Heaven had told him had already been cured. 
196. Auh amo zan icel quicauhque yaz, ca quihuicaque in ompa in ichan. 
But they didn't let him go alone, rather people went with him to his house. 
197. Auh in oyuh acito quittaque in itlatzin ye huel pactica, niman atle quicocoa, 
And when they arrived they saw that his uncle was now healthy; he had absolutely no pain of any kind.

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« Reply #61 on: January 28, 2015, 03:20:42 AM »

198. Auh in yehuatl cenca quimahuizo in quenin imach hualhuico, ihuan cenca mahuiztililo. 
And he, for his part, was greatly surprised by the way in which his nephew was accompanied and very honored. 
199. Quitlatani in imach tleica in yuhqui chihualo, in cenca mahuiztililo: 
He asked his nephew why it was that they were honoring him so much; 
200. Auh in yehuatl quilhui in quenin icuac ompa hualehuac in quinochilizquia teopixqui inquiyolcuitiz, quicencahuaz, in oncan Tepeyacac quimottilitzino in Ilhuicac Cihuapilli. 
and he told him how, when he left to go call a priest for him who would confess him and prepare him, the Lady of Heaven appeared to him there at Tepeyac. 

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« Reply #62 on: January 28, 2015, 09:31:16 AM »

May God Bless you for this wonderful thread.  This presentation is far more devotional than my Francis Johnston book, The Wonder of Guadalupe, although the book is very interesting.
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« Reply #63 on: January 28, 2015, 11:45:01 AM »

I second that! I looked up some other presentations/translations and this one is so much
more prayerful.  I like the references to "breath". 
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« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2015, 02:47:29 AM »

201. Auh quimotitlani in ompa Mexico in quittatiuh in Tlatoani Obispo inic oncan quimocaltiliz in Tepeyacac. 
And she sent him to Mexico City to see the Governing Bishop, so that he would make her a house at Tepeyac. 
202. Auh quimolhuili in macamo motequipacho in ca ye pactica; in ic cenca moyollali. 
And she told him not to worry, because his uncle was now happy, and she consoled him very much with this news. 
203. Quilhui in itlatzin ca ye nelli ca niman icuac in quimopatili, 
His uncle told him that it was true, that she healed him at that exact moment. 
204. ihuan huel quimottili iz zan no huel ye iuhcatzintli in yuh quimottititzinoaya ìn imach. 
And he saw her in exactly the same way she had appeared to his nephew. 


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« Reply #65 on: January 31, 2015, 02:48:15 AM »

205. Ihuan quimolhuili in quenin yehuatl oc quimototlanili Mexico in quittaz Obispo, 
And she told him that she was also sending him to Mexico City to see the Bishop, 
206. auh ma no in icuac quittatiuh, ma huel moch ic quixpantiz quinonotzaz in tlein oquittac, 
and also that when he went to see him, he should reveal absolutely everything to him, he should tell him what he had seen 
207. ihuan in quenin tlamahuizoltica oquimopatili, 
and the marvelous way in which she had healed him, 
208. auh ma huel yuh quimotocayotiliz, ma huel yuhmotocayotitzinoz iz Cenquizca Ichpochtzintli Santa María de Guadalupe in itlazoixiptlatzin. 
and that he would properly name her beloved Image thus: the Perfect Virgin, Holy Mary of Guadalupe.
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« Reply #66 on: February 01, 2015, 02:45:45 AM »

209. Auh niman ic quihualhuicaque in Juan Bernardino in ixpan Tlatohuani Obispo in quinonotzaco, in ixpan tlaneltilico. 
And then they brought Juan Bernardino into the presence of the Governing Bishop, they brought him to speak with him, to give his testimony. 
210. Auh inehuan in imach Juan Diego quincalloti in ichan Obispo achi quezquilhuitl. 
And together with his nephew Juan Diego, the Bishop lodged them in his house for a few days. 
211. Inoc ixquic ica moquetzino iteocaltzin Tlatoca Cihuapilli in oncan Tepeyacac in canin quimottitili in Juan Diego. 
While the sacred little house of the lovely Little Queen was built out there at Tepeyac, where she [had] revealed herself to Juan Diego. 
212. Auh in Tlatohuani Obispo quicuani ompa in Iglesia Mayor in itlazoixiptlatzin in Ilhuicac-Tlazocihuapilli. 
And the Reverend Bishop moved the beloved Image of the Beloved Heavenly Maiden to the principal church. 

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« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2015, 03:12:26 AM »

213. Quihualmoquixtili in ompa itecpanchan in ineteochihuayan moyetzticatca, inic mochi tlacatl quittaz quimahuizoz in Itlazoixiptlatzin. 
He took her beloved Image from his residence, from his private chapel in which it was, so that all could see it and admire it. 
214. Auh huel cenmochi iz cemaltepetl olin, in quihualmottiliaya, in quimahuizoaya in Itlazoixiptlatzin. 
And absolutely this entire city with no exception, was deeply moved as everyone came to see and admire her precious Image. 
215. Huallateomatia, 
They came to acknowledge its divine character, 
216. quimotlatlauhtiliaya. 
and they came to offer her their payers. 


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