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« Reply #68 on: February 04, 2015, 03:02:23 AM »

217. Cenca quimahuizoaya in quenin teotlamahuizoltica inic omonexiti, 
They marveled at the miraculous way it had appeared. 
218. inic niman ma aca tlalticpac tlacatl oquimicuilhui in itlazoixiptlayotzin. 
since absolutely no one on earth had painted her beloved Image. 


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« Reply #69 on: February 05, 2015, 02:45:43 AM »

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i. Nican Mopohua, motecpana, in quenin yancuican hueytlamahuizoltica monexiti in cenquizca ichpochtli Sancta María Dios Inantzin Tocihuapillatocatzin, in oncan Tepeyacac, motenehua Guadalupe. 
Here it is told, and set down in order, how a short time ago the Perfect Virgin Holy Mary Mother of God, our Queen, miraculously appeared out at Tepeyac, widely known as Guadalupe. 
ii. Acattopa quimottititzino ce macehualtzintli itoca Juan Diego, auh zantepan monexiti in Itlazoixiptlatzin in ixpan yancuican Obispo, Don Fray Juan de Zumárraga. 
First She caused herself to be seen by an Indian named Juan Diego, poor but worthy of respect; and then her Precious Image appeared before the recently named Bishop, Don Fray Juan de Zumárraga. 


It should be noted that Nican Mopohua is an Aztec phrase that means "It is told." or "It is said."
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« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2015, 02:54:09 AM »

001. Ye yuh matlac xihuitl in opehualoc in atl in tepetl Mexico, in ye omoman in mitl in chimalli, in ye nohuian ontlamatcamani in ahuacan in tepehuacan 
Ten years after the City of Mexico was conquered, with the arrows and shields put aside, when there was peace in all the towns
002. in maca zan ye opeuh, ye xotla, ye cueponi in tlaneltoquiliztli in iximachocatzin in Ipalnemohuani, nelli Teotl Dios. 
just as it sprouted, faith now grows green, now opens its corolla, the knowledge of the One by whom we all live: the true God. 
003. In huel ihcuac in ipan xihuitl mil y quinientos y treinta y uno, quin iuh iquezquilhuioc in metztli Diciembre mochiuh, oncatca ce macehualtzintli icnotlapatzintli, 
At that time, the year 1531, a few days into the month of December, it happened that there was a humble but respected Indian, a poor man of the people;



There is another version which mentions that there was a war. The war lasted about ten years. Then, everyone layed down their weapon and the war was over. These are examples of how this is a story that is told by the Aztecs from their own perspective.   
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« Reply #71 on: February 08, 2015, 01:29:40 AM »

Those are some beautiful phrases.
More! More!
thank you Poche!
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« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2015, 03:52:52 AM »

And immediately he prostrated himself in her presence; he said to her: "My Lady, my Beloved Maiden, now I am going to make your venerable breath, your venerable word, a reality. I, your poor Indian, am leaving you for a while."
039. Niman ic hualtemoc in quineltilitiuh in inelitlaniz: connamiquico in cuepotli, huallamelahua Mexico. 
Then he came down (from the hill) to put her errand into action; he came to get onto the causeway, he comes straight
You will notice that it mentions that he got on the causeway. That is because at that time Mexico City was an island in the middle of a lake.
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« Reply #73 on: February 12, 2015, 03:39:52 AM »

119. Cuix amo nican nica nimonantzin?   
Am I not here, I, who am your mother?

This is one of the key phrases that doesn't just apply to Juan Diego in 1531. It applies to us today. The Holy virgin says to us, "Am I not here, who am your mother?"   
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« Reply #74 on: February 16, 2015, 11:26:20 AM »

I really enjoyed reading this.

Hopefully it will be able to be added to the main book library in future.  Cheesy
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