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« on: December 08, 2014, 08:01:34 AM »

Today is the Feast of the Immaculate Conception
and also the 150th Anniversary
of Bl. Pope Pius IX's Quanta Cura and the Syllabus of Errors

Why not read these declarations to celebrate this sacred day?

Pope Bl. Pius IX - Quanta Cura - Condemning Current Errors

Pope Bl. Pius IX - The Syllabus of Errors

Pope Bl. Pius IX - Apostolic Constitution - Ineffabilis Deus - The Immaculate Conception

Pope St. Pius X - Allocution - For the Fiftieth Anniversary of the Proclamation of the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception

And here are some holy extracts:

'For you well know, venerable brethren, that at this time men are found not a few who, applying to civil society the impious and absurd principle of "naturalism," as they call it, dare to teach that "the best constitution of public society and (also) civil progress altogether require that human society be conducted and governed without regard being had to religion any more than if it did not exist; or, at least, without any distinction being made between the true religion and false ones." And, against the doctrine of Scripture, of the Church, and of the Holy Fathers, they do not hesitate to assert that "that is the best condition of civil society, in which no duty is recognized, as attached to the civil power, of restraining by enacted penalties, offenders against the Catholic religion, except so far as public peace may require." From which totally false idea of social government they do not fear to foster that erroneous opinion, most fatal in its effects on the Catholic Church and the salvation of souls, called by Our Predecessor, Gregory XVI, an "insanity," viz., that "liberty of conscience and worship is each man's personal right, which ought to be legally proclaimed and asserted in every rightly constituted society; and that a right resides in the citizens to an absolute liberty, which should be restrained by no authority whether ecclesiastical or civil, whereby they may be able openly and publicly to manifest and declare any of their ideas whatever, either by word of mouth, by the press, or in any other way." But, while they rashly affirm this, they do not think and consider that they are preaching "liberty of perdition;" and that "if human arguments are always allowed free room for discussion, there will never be wanting men who will dare to resist truth, and to trust in the flowing speech of human wisdom; whereas we know, from the very teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ, how carefully Christian faith and wisdom should avoid this most injurious babbling."'

'Venerable Brothers, it is surprising that in our time such a great war is being waged against the Catholic Church. But anyone who knows the nature, desires and intentions of the sects, whether they be called masonic or bear another name, and compares them with the nature the systems and the vastness of the obstacles by which the Church has been assailed almost everywhere, cannot doubt that the present misfortune must mainly be imputed to the frauds and machinations of these sects. It is from them that the synagogue of Satan, which gathers its troops against the Church of Christ, takes its strength. In the past Our predecessors, vigilant even from the beginning in Israel, had already denounced them to the kings and the nations, and had condemned them time and time again, and even We have not failed in this duty. If those who would have been able to avert such a deadly scourge had only had more faith in the supreme Pastors of the Church! But this scourge, winding through sinuous caverns, . . . deceiving many with astute frauds, finally has arrived at the point where it comes forth impetuously from its hiding places and triumphs as a powerful master. Since the throng of its propagandists has grown enormously, these wicked groups think that they have already become masters of the world and that they have almost reached their pre-established goal. Having sometimes obtained what they desired, and that is power, in several countries, they boldly turn the help of powers and authorities which they have secured to trying to submit the Church of God to the most cruel servitude, to undermine the foundations on which it rests, to contaminate its splendid qualities; and, moreover, to strike it with frequent blows, to shake it, to overthrow it, and, if possible, to make it disappear completely from the earth. Things being thus, Venerable Brothers, make every effort to defend the faithful which are entrusted to you against the insidious contagion of these sects and to save from perdition those who unfortunately have inscribed themselves in such sects.'

'Accordingly, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, for the honor of the Holy and undivided Trinity, for the glory and adornment of the Virgin Mother of God, for the exaltation of the Catholic Faith, and for the furtherance of the Catholic religion, by the authority of Jesus Christ our Lord, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own: "We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful." Hence, if anyone shall dare -- which God forbid! -- to think otherwise than as has been defined by us, let him know and understand that he is condemned by his own judgment; that he has suffered shipwreck in the faith; that he has separated from the unity of the Church; and that, furthermore, by his own action he incurs the penalties established by law if he should dare to express in words or writing or by any other outward means the errors he think in his heart.'

'As you yourselves know, an air of independence which is fatal for souls is widely diffused in the world, and has found its way even within the sanctuary; it shows itself not only in relation to authority but also in regard to doctrine. Because of it, some of our young clerics, animated by that spirit of unbridled criticism which holds sway at the present day, have come to lose all respect for the learning which comes from our great teachers, the Fathers and Doctors of the Church, the interpreters of revealed doctrine. If ever you have in your seminary one of those new-style savants, get rid of him without delay; on no account impose hands upon him. You will always regret having ordained even one such person: never will you regret having excluded him.'
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2014, 08:12:55 AM »

Hymn
from the Proper of Saints

Blest guardian of all virgin souls,
Portal of bliss to man forgiven,
Pure Mother of Almighty God,
Thou hope of earth and joy of heaven!

Fair Lily found among the thorn,
Most beauteous Dove with wings of gold,
Rod from whose tender root upsprang
That healing Flower so long foretold

Thou Tower against the dragon proof,
Thou Star to stormtossed voyagers dear;
Our course lies o'er a treacherous deep,
thine be the light by which we steer.

Scatter the mists that round us hang;
Keep far the fatal shoals away;
And while through darkling waves we sweep,
Open a path to light and day.

O Jesu, born of Virgin bright,
Immortal glory be to thee;
Praise to the Father infinite
And Holy Ghost eternally.
Amen.

    Præclara custos virginum,
    Intacta Mater Numinis,
    Cœlestis aulæ janua,
    Spes nostra, cœli gaudium.

    Inter rubeta lilium,
    Columba formosissima,
    Virga e radice germinans
    Nostro medelam vulneri.

    Turris draconi impervia,
    Amica stella naufragis,
    Tuere nos a fraudibus,
    Tuaque luce dirige.

    Erroris umbras discute,
    Syrtes dolosas amove,
    Fluctus tot inter, deviis
    Tutam reclude semitam.

    Jesu, tibi sit gloria,
    Qui natus es de Virgine,
    Cum Patre, et almo Spiritu,
    In sempiterna sæcula.
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2014, 08:13:04 AM »


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By the way if you follow the Latin you can easily see even with no Latin, simply by reading the root words that became English words, that the translation is a bit free!
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2014, 11:25:54 AM »

The Immaculata is the patron saint of our country  Smiley

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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2015, 03:46:06 PM »

I had recommended to Whiterockdove and to others on another thread that they read "Quanta Cura" and "The Syllabus of Errors."  How good it is that they and others can read them by just clicking on the links that you have provided in your original post.  God bless you, Shin, for the links!  Everybody should read "Quanta Cura" and "The Syllabus of Errors"!
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2015, 04:23:34 PM »

I do hope your translation of "Quanta Cura" is the good one, Shin.  There is a bad translation our there that EWTN uses.  I've read the good translation that does not have any translation errors in it.  God bless you!
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2015, 04:10:09 AM »

What is wrong with the one translation compared to the other?
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2015, 06:59:46 AM »

What is wrong with the one translation compared to the other?


Only one sentence, Shin.  I'll look up my translation (I should still have it) and I will tell you exactly which sentence has the mistranslation.  I think it is only one word in the sentence that has been mistranslated, but that word ("new"?) has given Modernists TNT in their justifying the new Mass of Paul VI.  God bless you!
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2015, 07:04:03 AM »

Thank you for taking the time Therese!
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2015, 09:27:49 AM »

You're most welcome, Shin!  I hope I can find it!
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2015, 10:56:28 AM »

The accomplished Latin translator John Warrington's translation is good and can be found on the internet.   

Here is some of what my newspaper says about the bad translation of Quo Primum:

"In comparing the unattributed English translation of Quo Primum with the original Latin and the English translation by Warrington, as well as translations into other languages, it becomes immediately apparent that the words "This new rite" are not present anywhere in Pius V's Quo Primum.  Rather they were inserted de novo by the anonymous English translator, who has also altered the structure of this document."

--Leonard J. Giblin, III, MD, PhD, "The Four Marks Primer,"  February 2001

Daily Catholic has the good translation of Quo Primum on-line for its readers, in case you wish to compare yours to it, Shin.  Hopefully, yours is the good translation too.

God bless you!
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2015, 05:56:43 PM »

From what I read in the "Four Marks," the bad translation is a bad translation not just because of one word. 
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2015, 06:43:02 PM »

I see, but you're talking about Quo Primum which we do not have, and not Quanta Cura, yes?
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2015, 08:43:15 PM »

I see, but you're talking about Quo Primum which we do not have, and not Quanta Cura, yes?

That's right! you don't have Quo Primum.  Please pardon my silly mistake, Shin!  I'm sure your Quanta Cura translation is just fine.  Very good!  God bless you! 
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2015, 10:21:35 PM »

I had a vague recollection I had read about that translation problem in the past but couldn't place it. I am glad you remembered! Cheesy
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« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2016, 09:29:13 PM »

I had a vague recollection I had read about that translation problem in the past but couldn't place it. I am glad you remembered! Cheesy


I'm glad that you knew about it, Shin!  God bless you!
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