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« on: September 18, 2020, 04:35:51 PM »

For more than 20 years I've prayed over two small books, My Way of Life (MWL), and the Imitation of Christ.  Both challenge my understanding and my obedience, and I've wished I had a Small Church Group for discussion of them.  About 10 years ago I decided to focus on MWL because it is a very interesting (but difficult for me) condensation of St Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica, which I have also struggled with and prayed over. 
I pray some members here might be willing to discuss MWL (It is short and available free on the web).  A sample issue: predestination.  It seems certain God has the power to predestine anyone and anything.  But why do some people think He controls and predestines everything?  Doesn't he give us free will?   
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2020, 05:08:43 PM »

I have not read this book, but normally I take the book 'Trustful Surrender to Divine Providence' as my guide for understanding the intervention of Our Lord's Providence.
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2020, 05:23:17 PM »

I would love to talk with you about this, I however have not been able to find such a book for free online.

On the topic of predestination:

In the Summa Theologica Saint Thomas Aquinas references Romans chapter 8
29  For whom God did foreknow, God also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that Jesus might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30  Moreover whom God predestined, them God also called: and whom God called, them God also justified: and whom God justified, them God also glorified.
Saint Thomas Aquinas affirms what Saint Paul said by saying "It is fitting that God should predestine men. For all things are subject to His providence"

I however, find myself in agreement also with Saint John of Damascus when he says in
Book 2 Chapter 30 of the Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith
We ought to understand that while God knows all things beforehand, yet He does not predetermine all things . For He knows beforehand those things that are in our power, but He does not predetermine them. For it is not His will that there should be wickedness nor does He choose to compel virtue. So that predetermination is the work of the divine command based on fore-knowledge . But on the other hand God predetermines those things which are not within our power in accordance with His prescience. For already God in His prescience has prejudged all things in accordance with His goodness and justice. Bear in mind, too , that virtue is a gift from God implanted in our nature, and that He Himself is the source and cause of all good, and without His co-operation and help we cannot will or do any good thing. But we have it in our power either to abide in virtue and follow God, Who calls us into ways of virtue, or to stray from paths of virtue, which is to dwell in wickedness, and to follow the devil who summons but cannot compel us. For wickedness is nothing else than the withdrawal of goodness, just as darkness is nothing else than the withdrawal of light. While then we abide in the natural state we abide in virtue, but when we deviate from the natural state, that is from virtue, we come into an unnatural state and dwell in wickedness . Repentance is the returning from the unnatural into the natural state, from the devil to God, through discipline and effort.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2020, 09:09:16 AM »

Many thanks to both of you for your comments.  One big advantage of MWL is that it has a very complete index of topics, although curiously it does not have predestination listed as a topic.  Yet it lists 21 references to free will.
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2020, 06:04:45 AM »

I'm very sorry about my error in saying the book MWL could be found free on the web.  I hope I didn't cause you to waste a bunch of time looking for it.  I thought I saw it in videos, but I haven't actually done any audio books, it seems much more relaxing to sit with an open book and re-read whenever I want.
It puzzles me that my 1995 Catechism has no index reference to predestination, nor does the NAB Dictionary-Concordance.  Instead the Catechism has 23 references to freedom, and perhaps I prefer to believe that although God is omnipotent, with all power to predestine anything He choses, He does not seem to do it very often. I am aware that the Summa Theologica has four articles on the predestination of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2020, 08:07:56 AM »

After writing my last post, I was re-reading the first page opening of MWL, which I like very much, and it seems an amazing coincidence (or more) that the word destiny jumped out at me which I had obviously forgotten:
"The road that stretches before the feet of a (person) is a challenge to his heart long before it tests the strength of his legs.  Our destiny is to run to the edge of the world and beyond, off into the darkness; sure (despite) our blindness, secure despite our helplessness, strong despite our weakness, gaily in love despite the pressure on our hearts."
It seems God intends me to think more about this.  I thank Him, and also you for encouraging and motivating me.
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2020, 07:02:54 AM »

Deo gratias et Mariae semper Virgini. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2020, 07:39:52 PM »

Chapter 1
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The One God
The road that stretches before the feet of a man is a challenge to his heart long before it tests the strength of his legs. Our destiny is to run to the edge of the world and beyond, off into the darkness: sure for all our blindness, secure for all our helplessness, strong for all our weakness, strong for all our weakness, gaily in love for all the pressure on our hearts.
In. that darkness beyond the world, we begin to know the world, we can begin to know the world and ourselves, though we see through the eyes of Another. We begin to understand that a man was not made to pace out his life behind the prison walls of nature, but to walk into the arms of God on a road that nature could never build.
Life must be lived, even by those who cannot find the courage to face it. In the living of it, every mind must meet the rebuff of mystery. To some men, this will be an exultant challenge: that so much can be known and truth not be exhausted, that so much can be known and truth can not be exhausted, that so much is still sought , that truth is an ocean not to be contained in the pool of the human mind. To others, this is a humiliation not to be borne; for it marks out sharply the limits of our proud minds. in the living of life, every mind must face the unyielding rock of reality, of a truth that does not bend to our whim or fantasy, of the rule that measures the life and mind of a man.
In the living of life, every human heart must see problems awful with finality. There are the obvious problems of death, marriage, the priesthood, religious vows; all unutterably final. But there are, too, the day to day, or rather the moment to moment choices of heaven or hell. before every human heart that has ever beat out its allotted measures, the dare of goals as high as God Himself was tossed down: to be accepted, or to be fled from in terror.
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CRUX SANCTI PATRIS BENEDICTI
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For God Is Greater Than All Things!
Alleluia!
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