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« on: October 16, 2020, 10:06:22 AM »

Here at camp I have only one Bible, the New American version, and I find myself frequently wondering what led our US Bishops to insert the final test phrase in the Lord's Prayer.  I think there is no reference in the Catechism, nor the NAB Dictionary/Concordance, nor Douay-Rheims, nor the new Ignatius NT.  Not even KJV.  Can you think of any explanation or comment I could access on the web?
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2020, 01:14:25 PM »

Matthew 6:9-13
Latin
9 Sic ergo vos orabitis :
Pater noster, qui es in cælis,
sanctificetur nomen tuum.
10 Adveniat regnum tuum ;
fiat voluntas tua, sicut in cælo et in terra.
11 Panem nostrum supersubstantialem da nobis hodie,
et dimitte nobis debita nostra,
sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris.
13 Et ne nos inducas in tentationem,
sed libera nos a malo. Amen.
Greek
oun houtous hymeis proseuchesthe :
hemon Pater en ouranois,
Hagiastheto sou onoma.
sou basileia Eltheto,
sou thelema Genetheto, epi ges Hos en ourano.
dos hemin semeron hemon epiousion arton.
Kai aphes hemin hemon opheilemata, Hos hemeis kai aphekamen hemon opheiletais;
Kai eisenenkes hemas me eis peirasmon
Alla rhysai hemas apo tou ponerou. Amen
Now in both Greek and Latin, there is no reference to a test, they both very clearly say "do not lead us into temptation" or "lead us, not into temptation"
The word for test in Greek is dokimazete it is used in 2nd Corinthians 13:5 Douay Rheims
"Try your own selves if you be in the faith; prove ye yourselves. Know you not your own selves, that Christ Jesus is in you, unless perhaps you be reprobates? "
 Vosmet ipsos temptate si estis in fide ipsi vos probate an non cognoscitis vos ipsos quia Christus Iesus in vobis est nisi forte reprobi estis

Another way to think about it is the parsing of the line: it could fairly well be understood, "lead us, not into temptation, and free us from the evil one"
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2020, 01:21:55 PM »

In general though: the final test would be punishment under threat of death, torture and intense suffering intended to cause you to renounce Jesus and give into idolatry.
The martyrs were subjected to the final or ultimate test and they were proven to be truthful.
To be honest, most translations, even Catholic translations, fail to represent the entire meaning of Sacred Scripture.
Sacred Scripture is like a precious diamond, encased in rock, when it is translated, you only get to see one facet of its beauty.
To understand the infinite beauty of God's Holy Word, look to Jesus, who underwent the ultimate test, was Crucified for our salvation.
I believe that we pray that we would not be subjected to the same terrible fate of torture and execution.
And so we should always give thanks to God for leading us out of the depths of hell, and onto the Way to Heaven, guarded by the Commandments, elevated by the Beatitudes, upheld by the Spirit.
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PAX
CRUX SANCTI PATRIS BENEDICTI
CRUX SACRA SIT MIHI LUX!
NON DRACO SIT MIHI DUX!
VADE RETRO SATANA!
NUMQUAM SUADE MIHI VANA!
SUNT MALA QUAE LIBAS
IPSE VENENA BIBAS!
All Glory Be To God!
All Praise Be To God!
For God Is Greater Than All Things!
Alleluia!
Alleluia!
Alleluia!
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