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« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2010, 03:13:35 PM »

I liked that St. Seton was Episcopalian before she converted. Tell me though, did she yell at her boys? What of St. Jane de Chantal? Did she yell at her brood? Did St. Vincent de Paul talk of her holiness while her kids were still living with her or after? Grin It seems to me that yelling at your kids may  even be a sign of holiness. It shows that you care about what they do.

In my limited experience, if devotion is equated with feeling, then an awful lot of people don't have any devotion (including many Saints). Also, when people have demanding children (or spouses), there isn't as much alone time to pray in the fashion that those people might wish (excluding those who are able to rise before dawn Roll Eyes ). In that circumstance, "arrow" prayers or partial Rosaries are a good way to pray, at least for the time being. So Bailey, you don't have to feel left out. I'm sure you do something like those. And you can be sure to join Martin's list  Grin .
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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2010, 03:21:36 PM »

PS....Talking of obscure saints, did any of you ever hear of Blessed Keteri Tekakwitha.
She was a native American Mowhawk who was made Blessed by JPII. She happens to be on my invoking list for the soul reason that my dear dad used to keep a picture and prayer of her in his wallet.
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« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2010, 03:24:23 PM »

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It seems to me that yelling at your kids may  even be a sign of holiness.

Brigid that just sounded so so funny  rotfl rotfl rotfl happy roll happy roll
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« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2010, 03:32:06 PM »

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In my limited experience, if devotion is equated with feeling, then an awful lot of people don't have any devotion (including many Saints). Also, when people have demanding children (or spouses), there isn't as much alone time to pray in the fashion that those people might wish (excluding those who are able to rise before dawn Roll Eyes ). In that circumstance, "arrow" prayers or partial Rosaries are a good way to pray, at least for the time being. So Bailey, you don't have to feel left out. I'm sure you do something like those. And you can be sure to join Martin's list  Grin .
OK Brigid, I'll take Sainthood!   Cheesy

For Mothers:  
"My little Daughter is the object of all others which I most fear to present to you, tho' I dare say she is the one you most wish to see, she possesses from her Mother a most ungovernable temper and with all my endeavours is past all management  My William (husband) leaves her to me, My Father tells me, conquer her by gentleness. Post and my Sister recommends Wipping, which is to me an unnatural resource, and the last I shall have recourse to--- send me a word of advice on this subject, or rather make hast to set me right, and assist me in a case which demands more resolution, than any situation I have hitherto experienced"   elizabeth seton to Eliza Sadler; from Long Island, 1797   Smiley
(guess she wasn't a Saint yet  Wink)

And for Maryslittleflower:  "She was full of faith, and yet all her life long had been tormented by thoughts against it..... But for all that suffering her face never lost its serenity, nor did she once relax in fidelity God asked of her.  And so I regard her as one of the holiest souls I have ever met on earth."  St. Vincent de Paul about St Jane Francis de Chantal.
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« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2010, 03:50:58 PM »

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And for Maryslittleflower:  "She was full of faith, and yet all her life long had been tormented by thoughts against it..... But for all that suffering her face never lost its serenity, nor did she once relax in fidelity God asked of her.  And so I regard her as one of the holiest souls I have ever met on earth."  St. Vincent de Paul about St Jane Francis de Chantal.

That is so moving... Thank you Baily2.

I once asked a very saintly priest (now deceased God Bless his soul) to pray for a woman who had asked for prayers and he said to me that any woman who bears a child and endevours to bring that child up in the faith is already sanctified and he said so this woman who I will pray for is thrice sanctified. (She had 3 kids)

That's why I say you ladiies are already saints so all you have to do now is..Well.....Just act like one.  irishwisdom
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« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2010, 04:01:27 PM »

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I once asked a very saintly priest (now deceased God Bless his soul) to pray for a woman who had asked for prayers and he said to me that any woman who bears a child and endevours to bring that child up in the faith is already sanctified and he said so this woman who I will pray for is thrice sanctified. (She had 3 kids)

Our Lord, in Genesis seems to think that "bringing forth children" (bearing and bringing up children) will return women to the state of sanctity they were in before the Fall.
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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2010, 04:06:06 PM »

I presume because of the suffering of childbirth or the 18 LONG years!!   Grin
I suspect the former is no longer sanctifying in western societies due to epidurals.  However, I think the following 18 yrs makes up for it these days!   sweat drop
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« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2010, 04:08:37 PM »

Brigid I didn't know if that priest had any theological grounds to base his statement on but he was such a holy man that I just believed him. Now you have answered it.
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« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2010, 04:16:54 PM »

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Our Lord, in Genesis seems to think that "bringing forth children" (bearing and bringing up children) will return women to the state of sanctity they were in before the Fall.

I wish. When my children are misbehaving or going in the wrong direction,  I feel terribly guilty as I feel that I am responsible for their actions since I am responsible for their upbringing.  So if they are not behaving well or being good or being holy I feel I have gone wrong as a mother somewhere. Its not that I'm paranoid about their behaviour, its only when they seem to go the wrong way  away from God.
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« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2010, 04:23:27 PM »

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I wish. When my children are misbehaving or going in the wrong direction,  I feel terribly guilty as I feel that I am responsible for their actions since I am responsible for their upbringing.  So if they are not behaving well or being good or being holy I feel I have gone wrong as a mother somewhere. Its not that I'm paranoid about their behaviour, its only when they seem to go the wrong way  away from God.


Maybe that feeling is sanctifying, too. He must feel that way. And the anxiety we feel when they are out on their own and no longer listening to their parents is certainly sanctifying. Look at St. Monica!
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« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2010, 04:34:43 PM »

Hope the final outcome is that of St. Monica. Conversion of the children is the best blessing one could see in a lifetime. cherubim
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« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2010, 09:06:09 AM »

Has anyone experienced this?  You pray a lot for something and quite the opposite keeps happening.. It is as if your prayers were coming to naught, or as if your prayers were causing mishaps to happen.  It has happened to me before. I'm posting this because I was talking to my friend yesterday ( the one who needs prayers for a job etc ) and she told me that the day she prays earnestly, says her Rosary or prays to Our Lady , that is the day more problems are caused.  I told her , according to my reasoning, that the devil does not want prayer and thus causes obstacles in order for her to stop praying.  I told her no matter what,  to persevere in prayer and not to give up. I'm worried that she may stop praying because of discouragement.
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« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2010, 12:46:28 PM »

I am not much of a prayer person (I am the prime example of A.D.D) but reading Louis Granda's Sinner Guide ( I try to read a chapter a day) ALWAYS inspires me...it was even one of the reasons I came back to grace with God as I found the book and instantly came back to God after being dormat for years.
Also,helping people or giving gifts in Jesus's name always makes me feel so close with God.

But if I do pray, I usually offer up my prayers and ask Mother Mary and the Arch Angels and a few saints to pray for me and I always imagine holding up my small and impure heart to Jesus. God is my father and he knows his daughter well and I know he will never abandon me. For He is mine and I am His.
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« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2010, 12:47:52 PM »

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Has anyone experienced this?  You pray a lot for something and quite the opposite keeps happening.. It is as if your prayers were coming to naught, or as if your prayers were causing mishaps to happen.  It has happened to me before. I'm posting this because I was talking to my friend yesterday ( the one who needs prayers for a job etc ) and she told me that the day she prays earnestly, says her Rosary or prays to Our Lady , that is the day more problems are caused.  I told her , according to my reasoning, that the devil does not want prayer and thus causes obstacles in order for her to stop praying.  I told her no matter what,  to persevere in prayer and not to give up. I'm worried that she may stop praying because of discouragement.

Knowing my need for proper sleep in order to keep emotionally even, when I was pregnant with our first child I prayed for a baby that would sleep, meaning I could deal with the usual 6 weeks or so of frequent wakings but then a tapering off because the help would be gone.  I received a baby who almost died at birth, then had unbearable colic, then at 6 weeks got his first ear infection, then had surgery at 9 mo and 2 yrs., and then had night terrors until he was about 11.  My moods deteriorated.  My health deteriorated.  It was a tough 11 years, especially when the second came 2.5 yrs later who slept but was hyperactive (truly hyperactive-- and out of a crib and playpen by 16 mo--climbed out).  We had no family support.
The hyperactive one is the hockey player.  The oldest still isn't the best sleeper.  But now I get to sleep!  Tongue

I had to come to a place where I accepted that life dishes out what it dishes out and God holds my hand through it.  But that came after a lot of fist shaking and a mistaken notion that He was punishing me or purging me (by not letting me have sleep and so let my health deteriorate, thus affecting the children)--sorry can't believe God does those things, as you all know.

So my advice to her is pray, ask, yell, be mad, thank for little favors as they happen, do the best you can, know you are not the only one (that helped in my situation anyway), and know He is there with you.
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« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2010, 12:57:07 PM »

I'm worried that she may stop praying because of discouragement.

If she stops praying the devil wins. You are right, the devil will do anything to stop prayers.
My mother says the trials from this prayer are more beneficial than the thing she is asking for in itself as God is allowing this happen and he is always with her, and like you said, he is giving her strength.

I remember reading in Sinner's Guide about a saint who was tortured so bad that his bones were exposed and the torturer put vingear and salt on them and he still didn't die, then they roasted him till his spirit parted and I told my mother this just crying. I asked my mom how could anyone do this to someone. And she said:
Someone people will be in closer union and more one with God when they die, do not pity them. God was with them during all of their tortues or no human could withstand what they went through alone.


So I hope your friend remembers that when she is suffering, God is always with her to give her any grace she needs.

Sometimes you need to lose something in order to gain another...as every loss is a gain.
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« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2010, 02:22:30 PM »

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Sometimes you need to lose something in order to gain another...as every loss is a gain.

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I had to come to a place where I accepted that life dishes out what it dishes out and God holds my hand through it.


Your experiences are encouraging to me and I will pass on this encouragement to my friend.   Smiley 


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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2010, 10:59:59 AM »

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I had to come to a place where I accepted that life dishes out what it dishes out and God holds my hand through it.  But that came after a lot of fist shaking and a mistaken notion that He was punishing me or purging me (by not letting me have sleep and so let my health deteriorate, thus affecting the children)--sorry can't believe God does those things, as you all know.

Hello Baily. Me again.  Grin

I do know you have a dislike for words such as  punish and purge. I mostly prefer the word "Chastise" rather than "punish" as I read once that the word "Chastise" is from the word "Chasten" which means to make clean or purify. So it seems what God is doing by allowing certain circumstances to come about or persist, is solely for our good because He loves us enogh to clean us up a bit. I think we use the word "punish" because from our perspective that's what we experience it as.  On God's part though, it must be an act of love in the same way that we chastise our little ones for their good even though they too perceive it as punishment.

Purging.  Now I do like that word. Reminds me of the refiners fire. The Silversmith producing pure silver from the furnace after burning away all the dross and impurities. So if God does indeed see all our troubles and even permits them, but, like you say,  holds our hand through them, then I would indeed call what is taking place, "a purging"  of sorts. If these things weren't purging us then why would God who loves us ever permit them in the first place? If they really all where just happening by chance and God was merely a bystander with no control over these events other than to console us through them, then that would place those events outside His omnipotence and we, poor things, would be at the mercy of chance rather than at the mercy of God.

I find great consolation in the fact that God is permitting every single event in my life for the sole purpose of purging me and making me better than I was before I received the purging. And I'll even call it punishment for the joy of knowing that He cares enough about me to punish me.  Cheesy

How did that come across my dear sister Baily?  Undecided   
I hope if I've said this just to be contrary, that the Lord will purge me of this defect. sword fight
Nah.... I don't think I did, cause I didn't even put on me boxing gloves.  boxing  Cheesy


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