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"Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."

Matthew 16:24
Taking up the cross and following Jesus means dying to the world, the flesh, and the devil.
Daily Thought For August 22, 2015, reminded me of this. I wanted to share:

The Dangers of the Spirit of the World

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We have lost sight of the fact that Christians cannot live like “everyone else”. The foolish notion that there is no specifically Christian morality is merely one way of saying that a fundamental concept has been lost: the “distinctively Christian” as opposed to the models offered by the “world”. Even religious orders and congregations have confused true reform with a relaxation of the traditional austerity previously practiced. They have confused renewal with comfort. To give a small but concrete example: a religious reported to me that the downfall of his monastery began very concretely with the declaration that it was “no longer practicable” for the religious to rise during the night to recite the nocturnal office. But that was not the end of the matter. The religious replaced this uncontested but significant “sacrifice” by staying up late at night to watch television. An apparently minor matter. But the present-day decline of the indispensable austerity of Christian life, beginning with that of religious orders, is composed of just such “minor matters”. Christians must realize today more than ever before that they belong to a minority and are in opposition to all that appears good, natural, and logical, to what the New Testament calls “the spirit of the world”.

Daily Thought For August 22, 2015,

When I read this I realized how right the author is. We are indeed a minority at risk even of becoming an "endangered species", considering that much of the world at one time was, not just Christian but Catholic! Now to be Catholic is almost frowned upon!
Certainly if you try to live as a Christian should, you are considered almost "unbalanced".
I remember when I burnt many books from my shelf. Novels and stuff. My young nephew looked at me with a frown on his face; why Aunty? he asked, genuinely puzzled, then continued; "I told you to give me those books if you did not want them"! But of course I could not pass them on as they were good for nothing but the flames.
No one seemed to understood. :(

Quote from: odhiambo on August 26, 2015, 07:46:02 AM

When I read this I realized how right the author is. We are indeed a minority at risk even of becoming an "endangered species", considering that much of the world at one time was, not just Christian but Catholic! Now to be Catholic is almost frowned upon!
Certainly if you try to leave as a Christian should, you are considered almost "unbalanced".
I remember when I burnt many books from my shelf. Novels and stuff. My young nephew looked at me with a frown on his face; why Aunty? he asked, genuinely puzzled, then continued; "I told you to give me those books if you did not want them"! But of course I could not pass them on as they were good for nothing but the flames.
No one seemed to understood. :(

I did the same thing, got rid of books! Thanks be to God for the gift to know to do so.

Yes you can't let others get 'em either! The saints and ordinary friars and priests would go around to towns, and preach sermons before all the people, and have them bring out their bad stuff to throw away and burn on the fires. It was beautiful to see.

The only books I've had in my apartment have been Catholic books and reference books, like the dictionary. But some of those Catholic books were written after Vatican II and contain the errors of Vatican II, so I had to get rid of all of them. I even got rid of my Catholic Bibles other than my Douay-Rheims. I've gotten rid of Catholic tracts and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, too, because they contain the errors of V2. I stick to the Baltimore Catechism #3, which I own, and to the old catechisms, which do not contain error. I hope that one day more people become aware of how dangerous the V2 errors are, and get rid of all their books infected with such modernism. Religious liberty and false ecumenism were condemned by the Church, so it is harmful and wrong for the conciliar church to promote them as they do. When will people catch on? Perhaps too late?

Quote from: odhiambo on August 27, 2015, 03:00:26 AM

I get confused sometimes. When the then Pope approved the outcome of Vatican II, wasn't it Ex Cathedra?
Also, which are these errors ? I would really like to know them. I may be offending God without being aware of the fact. :(

The conciliar church's promotion of the condemned teachings of religious liberty and false ecumenism are the two main errors I speak of. These have been condemned by the Roman Catholic Church before Vatican II, yet the Vatican II Council and the conciliar church has ignored this, teaching these condemned errors as truths, which is very harmful and wrong. You could read the "Syllabus or Errors" of Pope Pius IX, if you wish to learn what the Roman Catholic Church has condemned as the errors of Modernism. I also suggest you read the encyclical "Quanta Cura" of Pope Pius IX, condemning the errors of Modernism. The teaching and promoting of religious liberty and false ecumenism is pure Modernism. God bless you!

The only way possible that an ecumenical council could promote error is if it were to be convoked by an antipope or a claimant to the Chair of Peter who is not a valid pope canonically. For example, if a person elected to the papacy were a manifest heretic before his papal election--even if it were a unanimous election--he could not canonically be a valid pope. Another example, if a cardinal were to be elected pope and under duress declined the office of pope offered to him, then the new claimant to the Chair of Peter elected in his place would not be a valid pope but an antipope. I hope this helps. God bless you!

Quote from: Therese on August 26, 2015, 09:01:46 PM

Hi Therese!
I have all these books you have listed. I have read the Baltimore Catechism on line. I use the Douay-Rheims Bible on line for reference occasionally but I find it difficult to understand because of the English.
I must admit, nothing has clashed for me. Maybe if you could name the specific errors that the Church is now teaching. I know that in many translations of Luke 1:28, the phrase "highly favored" instead of "full of Grace"is used in reference to Our Lady. Is that one of the errors?
You mention false ecumenism, what does the Church say now about Christian Unity that is contrary to Christ's teaching.
You mentioned getting rid of Catholic Bibles, CCC, etc which are "

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books infected with such modernism. Religious liberty and false ecumenism were condemned by the Church,

These books all carry the "Nihil Obstat,"and "Imprimatur" approval stamps of the Church so the Church has not condemned them. In effect therefore, it is the Catholic Church herself promoting these "errors and false teachings"
This is how I understand your comments to mean. Have I misunderstood you, perhaps? :)

No doubt you won't believe me, Odhiamabo, but the Conciliar Church and the Roman Catholic Church are not one and the same thing. All the Imprimaturs and Nihil Obstats after V2 were given by the Conciliar Church, a false sect of the Roman Catholic Church. I can't expect for you to believe me because you are probably a product of V2 and have no idea that the Roman Catholic Church has condemned errors before V2 that are now in V2 documents and in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic Church is indefectible and can not promote anything harmful to the faithful; for this reason, and for many other reasons, the Conciliar Church is not the Roman Catholic Church, which is spotless, pure and perfect. God bless you!

P.S. I got rid of my modern Bibles because of some translations in them and because of their footnotes, but mainly because they were only approved by the Conciliar Church.

Quote from: whiterockdove on August 27, 2015, 11:12:07 PM

I also get confused. This stuff is complicated! I can tell Therese, you have done a lot of study on this topic. You are very knowledgeable.
Can you talk some more about false ecumenism and condemned teachings religious liberty?
Thanks!

And thank you, Odhiambo, for starting this thread!

We have ourselves a pleasant conversation going! Wouldn't it be nice to sit across a table together? :)

I'll try to find some information for you, but it could take some time. You could find the information yourself in Pope Pius IX's "The Syllabus of Errors" and in his encyclical "Quanta Cura" on-line. Either false ecumenism and religious liberty have been condemned by the Roman Catholic Church or they haven't. I'll show you that they most certainly have been condemned. The Conciliar Church has ignored these condemnations and has started a new religion where teachings condemned as errors are taught as the truth. What a sad state, and with so much apostasy, apostasy from the top. It is so sad that so many prelates and priests have defected from the true Faith. Those who have read the actual 3rd Secret of Fatima, without revealing the secrets they've read, have revealed that it has to do with apostasy from the top. This I can easily believe, because it is apparent. God bless you!

Dear Whiterockdove,

There is a book that I will borrow that will be able to help you understand what you want to know. Hopefully, I'll obtain it on Sunday. I'll post what both the Roman Catholic Church and the Conciliar Church teaches about false ecumenism and religious liberty, once I obtain the book from my friend. You'll be able to see or yourself that the Roman Catholic Church and the Conciliar Church teaches two very contradictory things. The Roman Catholic Church can not contradict herself or teach or do anything harmful to the faithful. This is for certain. God bless you!

I'd appreciate it if you two women would ask me your questions only after I start posting my pre-V2/post-V2 quotes, for all I will attempt to do on this thread is present you with pre-V2 quotes and post-V2 quotes, hoping that you can figure out for yourselves that the Roman Catholic Church and the Conciliar Church do not teach the same thing and contradict each other. The Catholic Church has never ever contradicted herself when teaching on faith and morals universally, and never will, because she is indefectible, and yes, even infallible like her head, the Sovereign Pontiff. But the Conciliar Church has contradicted the magisterial teaching of the Roman Catholic Church with its new teachings, thus we have the Catholic Church and a false sect (the Conciliar Church). The Conciliar Church has new teachings, new sacraments, a new form of worship, and new canon laws to support their new teachings. The Conciliar Church is a new religion going by the name of Roman Catholic, but it can only ape the Roman Catholic Church in her worship, governance, ceremonies, etc.. I'm not going to try to convince you women of these things; I am only going to provide you with pre-V2 teachings and their contradictory post-V2 teachings. God bless you, and Mary keep you!

Yours in Mary Immaculate, Destroyer of All Heresies,
Therese

I have obtained the book of quotes that I want to share with you. Hopefully, I can start posting quotes tomorrow. I will only be able to post a very little bit at a time, as I have my Mystical City of God book to read and post, my Marian consecration to prepare for (I am preparing with 2 books), and all my daily duties that need to get done. My schedule has just recently gotten more tight, making it now difficult for me to post a chapter a day of Mystical City of God excerpts.

I'd rather just post quotes for you and let you decide for yourself whether there are any contradictions or not, without any discussion or debate; I'd rather not argue that the Conciliar Church is not the Roman Catholic Church, though I and traditional Roman Catholic bishops, priests, nuns and laity do know this to be objectively true. We are probably a little less than one percent of the population, but the truth is not found in numbers but objectively in the truth itself and in reality.

At the end of time, will Jesus Christ find faith on the earth? So few people possess the true faith these days; so many cardinals, bishops, priests, religious and laity have defected from the true faith. Such a state is lamentable. Catholics and the whole world are being punished for their faithlessness. God sends bad rulers for the punishment of the people. The people are being punished for their faithlessness by means of leaders who have fallen away from the true faith. Remember, people who have read the 3rd Fatima Secret, without their revealing the secret itself, have disclosed some very revealing information. One person, JPII's private theologian (he also may have been Paul VI's private theologian-- I can't remember), stated that our Lady's 3rd Secret of Fatima has to do with apostasy from the top. See Fr. Paul Kramer's The Devil's Final Battle for quote and for other very revealing and powerful quotes from those who have read the 3rd Fatima Secret.

God bless you and Mary keep you!

My book is loaded with pre-V2 and post-V2 contradictory quotes, on many subjects. I will select the shortest ones that I can find to save some time.

Here are pre-Vatican II quotes (in blue) on religious liberty, specifically about whether man is free to follow whatever religion he chooses. The quotes in red are V-2/post-V2 quotes.

Pope Pius IX

Condemned: #15 Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. (Pope Pius IX, Syllabus of Modern Errors, Appendix to Quanta Cura, (#15), Dec. 8, 1864)

John Paul II

As was said earlier, freedom of conscience and of religion, including the aforementioned elements, is a primary and inalienable right of the human person. (John Paul II, On the Value and Context of the Freedom of Conscience and Religion, Message given the Eve of the Madrid Conference on European Security and Cooperation, Sept. 1, 1980)

Pope Gregory XVI

From this poisoned source of indifferentism flows that false and absurd, or rather extravagant maxim that liberty of conscience should be established and guaranteed to each man -- a most contagious error... (Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos, (#14), Aug. 15, 1832)

Pope Leo XIII

Thus Gregory XVI in his encyclical letter Mirari Vos, dated August 15, 1832, inveighed with weighty words against the sophisms which even at his time were being publicly inculcated -- namely, that no preference should be shown for any particular form of worship; that it is right for individuals to form their own personal judgments about religion; that each man's conscience is his sole and all-sufficing guide; and that it is lawful for every man to publish his own views, whatever they may be, and even to conspire against the sate. (Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei (#34), Nov. 1, 1885

Vatican II Council

In all his activity man is bound to follow his conscience in order that he may come to God, the end and purpose of life. It follows that he is not to be forced to act in manner contrary to his conscience. Nor on the other hand, is he to be restrained from acting in accordance with his conscience, especially in matters religious. (Vatican II Council, Dignitatis Humanae, (#3) Dec. 7, 1965

Here is a quote to help those who erroneously side with the V2 Conciliar Church on the subject of Religious Liberty:

Pope Leo XIII

About the rights of man as they are called, the people have heard enough, it is time we should hear about the rights of God! (Pope Leo XIII Tametsi Futura Propicientibusm (#13), Nov. 1, 1900)

Vatican II Council

The Church, therefore, by virtue of the Gospel committed to her, proclaims the rights of man. (Vatican II Council, Gaudium et Spes, (#41), Dec. 7, 1965

People these days are so infected by V2's erroneous teachings on Religious Liberty that they find the pre-V2 quotes to be outdated and false. Well, what I can say to them is that the truths of the Roman Catholic Church are perennial and are never outdated or false; I'd also remind them that the Catholic truth always remains the full truth, no matter who tries to contradict and efface it. The V2 Conciliar Church has succumbed to the world when she should have upheld the perennial teachings entrusted to her, like the Roman Catholic Church still does faithfully, and always will, for the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. No, the Roman Catholic Church and the V2 Conciliar Church are not one and the same thing, for their teaching differs from each other, not to mention other things about them differing. The Roman Catholic Church has never EVER contradicted herself in all her years on earth--only when the Modernists took charge (the Conciliarists) do we find contradictions and a new false sect, which apes the Roman Catholic Church and goes by the name Roman Catholic. Still, the Roman Catholic Church--the true Roman Catholic Church--is indefectable, thus she will never EVER contradict herself--she can't, as she has the protection of the Holy Ghost promised to the Apostles by Jesus Christ. There are traditional bishops, priests and laity who still profess the true Roman Catholic Faith--they are the Roman Catholic Church, with Jesus Christ as their head; and they patiently await the day when they shall have a true Supreme Pontiff on the Chair of Peter succeeding all the other true popes.

"The Church is the only one, the Roman Catholic! And if there were left upon earth but one Catholic, he would be the one, universal Church, the Catholic Church, the Church of Jesus Christ against which the gates of Hell shall never prevail."

- Ven. Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824)

God bless you!

Dear Odhimabo,

This book of quotes is called No Crisis in the Church? by Simon Galloway, and it he is not sedevacantist. The title of his book title isn't even an accurate title, as the crisis he is referring to exists in the V2 Conciliar sect, and not in the Roman Catholic Church. May all of us admit that the quotes speak for themselves, and please, Odhimabo, don't allow yourself to get sidetracked by other issues. I told you that the V2 Conciliar Church teaching contradicts the pre-V2 teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, and this I have proven; you can look up all the documents I have cited yourself, if you wish. The quotes speak for themselves and would speak for themselves even were Simon Galloway a sedevacantist, but as I said, he is not a sedevacantist. I am not here on this thread to prove that the Conciliar Church is not the Roman Catholic Church, but to prove that the V2 Conciliar Church teaches what is contrary to (in contradiction with) the magisterial teaching of the Roman Catholic Church and her popes and councils. God bless you!

Yours in Mary Immaculate, Destroyer of All Heresies,
Therese

And, dear Odhiambo, if you wish to know what I am, I am Roman Catholic who professes the true faith and tries to live up to it, and who knows that a true pope can not contradict previous popes and councils or promote any teaching that contradicts previous popes and councils. The Church has had several anti-popes, who have convened general councils, councils which have taught/promoted error. But no true pope can convene a general council and have their council teach/promote error, for Jesus Christ has given His promise to send the Holy Ghost to protect His Church from error and His representative from error on matters of faith and morals taught universally to the faithful. God bless you!

I'm reading.....and pondering.....and praying!
Because here I am, in my current state of life with my current parish. No TLM nearby, sick husband who has little patience for my conversion and parish activities. ( just a side effect of brain injuries from cancer. He didn't used to be this way, )
I think I need prayers!
But I have attended mass at churches that are more traditional and please pardon my fumbling with discriptions and words.
The things you posted are way over my head but I will research and try to educate myself.
It seems that a conversation I had with a Monsignor in Kansas City touched on the whole pre and post V2 issues.
Thanks Therese for all these posts, I am so happy you are preparing for your consecration to Mary!

When things calm down in your world, and if it isn't too personal, could you write some about your consecration
Preparation? I'll tell you about mine.
Odhiambo, are you a member of The Legion of Mary? Just wondering.
I would like to hear about that as well.

Quote from: whiterockdove on September 01, 2015, 12:26:14 AM

I'd be glad to share with you about my Marian Consecration, Whiterockdove, if it would better help you to make yours. God bless you!

No Crisis in the Church? is 268 pages long and is loaded with quotes that prove that the V2/post-V2 teachings of the Concilar Church contradicts pre-V2 teaching. Those with a love for the truth and for the Roman Catholic Church can not overlook these contradictions as though there were nothing wrong. Here are three more quotes for you on false ecumenism. These will be my last quotes, unless a request for more quotes is made. Very soon I'll have to return this book to my friend, so I will not be able to provide quotes on this thread after that time.

Pope Pius XII

Therefore, Catholic doctrine must be propounded and explained in its totality and in its integrity: it is not permitted to pass over in silence or to veil in ambiguous terms what is comprised in the Catholic truth on the true nature and stages of justification, on the constitution of the Church, on the primacy of jurisdiction of the Roman Pontiff, on the unique true union by the return of the separated Christians to the one true Church of Christ. (Pope Pius XII, Instructionn of the Holy Office to the Bishops, Dec. 20, 1949)

Pope Benedict XVI

And now we ask what does it mean to restore the unity of all Christians?...this unity does not mean what could be called ecumenism of return: that is, to deny and reject one's own faith history. Absolutely not! (Pope Benedict XVI, Address to Protestants, World Youth Day, Aug. 19, 2005)

Pope John Paul II and Pope Bendict XVI Head of Christian Unity

Today we no longer understand ecumenism in the sense of the ecumenism of a return, by which others should "be converted" and return to being "catholics." This was expressly abandoned by Vatican II. (Cardinal Walter Casper, President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, Interview with Adista, Rome, Feb. 26, 2001, p.9)

Imagine, non-Catholics not having to be converted or to become Catholic. What about the commission Jesus Christ gave to his Apostles just before His Ascension, to baptize and convert all nations? So much for false ecumenism!--so much for the Conciliar Church!

I have accomplished that which I had sought out to do, and that was, to show that the magisterial teaching of the Roman Catholic Church has been contradicted by the Conciliar Church. I pray that those of you of good will not bury you heads in the sand and will not accept the errors of V2, to the destruction of your Catholic faith and precious souls. Let us see what the upcoming synod in October has in store for you people who are in the Conciiliar Church.

Mary Immaculate, Destroyer of All Heresies, pray for us!

Odhiambo, I found some saints quotes on your topic of the world, the flesh and the devil.
I think about this a lot and I sure fall down a lot in this area! :-\
The battle is in the heart! Thanks be to God, I am not totally lost all the time.

"The intellect will go on looking for sensual pleasures until you subjugate the flesh and devote yourself to contemplation."
St. Thalassios The Libyan

"Who could count all those who had wealth, power, honor?
But their glory, their riches were only lent to them and they wore themselves out in preserving and increasing that which they were forced to abandon one day.
_St. Ignatius of Loyola

These are a few, I will look for more.

God Bless you, my friend!

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