The world, the flesh, and the devil

[Therese]

Thank you, Therese! 

Keep asking and talking Odhiambo, your questions are my questions!

You are very welcome, Whiterockdove!

[Therese]

I'd appreciate it if you two women would ask me your questions only after I start posting my pre-V2/post-V2 quotes, for all I will attempt to do on this thread is present you with pre-V2 quotes and post-V2 quotes, hoping that you can figure out for yourselves that the Roman Catholic Church and the Conciliar Church do not teach the same thing and contradict each other.  The Catholic Church has never ever contradicted herself when teaching on faith and morals universally, and never will, because she is indefectible, and yes, even infallible like her head, the Sovereign Pontiff.  But the Conciliar Church has contradicted the magisterial teaching of the Roman Catholic Church with its new teachings, thus we have the Catholic Church and a false sect (the Conciliar Church).  The Conciliar Church has new teachings, new sacraments, a new form of worship, and new canon laws to support their new teachings.  The Conciliar Church is a new religion going by the name of Roman Catholic, but it can only ape the Roman Catholic Church in her worship, governance, ceremonies, etc..  I'm not going to try to convince you women of these things; I am only going to provide you with pre-V2 teachings and their contradictory post-V2 teachings.  God bless you, and Mary keep you! 

Yours in Mary Immaculate, Destroyer of All Heresies,
Therese

[Therese]

I have obtained the book of quotes that I want to share with you.  Hopefully, I can start posting quotes tomorrow.  I will only be able to post a very little bit at a time, as I have my Mystical City of God book to read and post, my Marian consecration to prepare for (I am preparing with 2 books), and all my daily duties that need to get done.  My schedule has just recently gotten more tight, making it now difficult for me to post a chapter a day of Mystical City of God excerpts.  

I'd rather just post quotes for you and let you decide for yourself whether there are any contradictions or not, without any discussion or debate; I'd rather not argue that the Conciliar Church is not the Roman Catholic Church, though I and traditional Roman Catholic bishops, priests, nuns and laity do know this to be objectively true.  We are probably a little less than one percent of the population, but the truth is not found in numbers but objectively in the truth itself and in reality.  

At the end of time, will Jesus Christ find faith on the earth?  So few people possess the true faith these days; so many cardinals, bishops, priests, religious and laity have defected from the true faith.  Such a state is lamentable.  Catholics and the whole world are being punished for their faithlessness.  God sends bad rulers for the punishment of the people.  The people are being punished for their faithlessness by means of leaders who have fallen away from the true faith.  Remember, people who have read the 3rd Fatima Secret, without their revealing the secret itself, have disclosed some very revealing information.  One person, JPII's private theologian (he also may have been Paul VI's private theologian-- I can't remember), stated that our Lady's 3rd Secret of Fatima has to do with apostasy from the top.  See Fr. Paul Kramer's The Devil's Final Battle for quote and for other very revealing and powerful quotes from those who have read the 3rd Fatima Secret.  

God bless you and Mary keep you!

[Therese]

My book is loaded with pre-V2 and post-V2 contradictory quotes, on many subjects.  I will select the shortest ones that I can find to save some time.

Here are pre-Vatican II quotes (in blue) on religious liberty, specifically about whether man is free to follow whatever religion he chooses.  The quotes in red are V-2/post-V2 quotes.

Pope Pius IX

Condemned:  #15 Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true.  (Pope Pius IX, Syllabus of Modern Errors, Appendix to Quanta Cura, (#15), Dec. 8, 1864)

John Paul II

As was said earlier, freedom of conscience and of religion, including the aforementioned elements, is a primary and inalienable right of the human person.  (John Paul II, On the Value and Context of the Freedom of Conscience and Religion, Message given the Eve of the Madrid Conference on European Security and Cooperation, Sept. 1, 1980)



Pope Gregory XVI

From this poisoned source of indifferentism flows that false and absurd, or rather extravagant maxim that liberty of conscience should be established and guaranteed to each man -- a most contagious error... (Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos, (#14), Aug. 15, 1832)

Pope Leo XIII

Thus Gregory XVI in his encyclical letter Mirari Vos, dated August 15, 1832, inveighed with weighty words against the sophisms which even at his time were being publicly inculcated -- namely, that no preference should be shown for any particular form of worship; that it is right for individuals to form their own personal judgments about religion; that each man's conscience is his sole and all-sufficing guide; and that it is lawful for every man to publish his own views, whatever they may be, and even to conspire against the sate.  (Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei (#34), Nov. 1, 1885

Vatican II Council

In all his activity man is bound to follow his conscience in order that he may come to God, the end and purpose of life.  It follows that he is not to be forced to act in manner contrary to his conscience.  Nor on the other hand, is he to be restrained from acting in accordance with his conscience, especially in matters religious.  (Vatican II Council, Dignitatis Humanae, (#3) Dec. 7, 1965

[Therese]

Here is a quote to help those who erroneously side with the V2 Conciliar Church on the subject of Religious Liberty:



Pope Leo XIII

About the rights of man as they are called, the people have heard enough, it is time we should hear about the rights of God!  (Pope Leo XIII Tametsi Futura Propicientibusm (#13), Nov. 1, 1900)



Vatican II Council

The Church, therefore, by virtue of the Gospel committed to her, proclaims the rights of man.  (Vatican II Council, Gaudium et Spes, (#41), Dec. 7, 1965



People these days are so infected by V2's erroneous teachings on Religious Liberty that they find the pre-V2 quotes to be outdated and false.  Well, what I can say to them is that the truths of the Roman Catholic Church are perennial and are never outdated or false; I'd also remind them that the Catholic truth always remains the full truth, no matter who tries to contradict and efface it.  The V2 Conciliar Church has succumbed to the world when she should have upheld the perennial teachings entrusted to her, like the Roman Catholic Church still does faithfully, and always will, for the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.  No, the Roman Catholic Church and the V2 Conciliar Church are not one and the same thing, for their teaching differs from each other, not to mention other things about them differing.  The Roman Catholic Church has never EVER contradicted herself in all her years on earth--only when the Modernists took charge (the Conciliarists) do we find contradictions and a new false sect, which apes the Roman Catholic Church and goes by the name Roman Catholic.  Still, the Roman Catholic Church--the true Roman Catholic Church--is indefectable, thus she will never EVER contradict herself--she can't, as she has the protection of the Holy Ghost promised to the Apostles by Jesus Christ.  There are traditional bishops, priests and laity who still profess the true Roman Catholic Faith--they are the Roman Catholic Church, with Jesus Christ as their head; and they patiently await the day when they shall have a true Supreme Pontiff on the Chair of Peter succeeding all the other true popes.  

"The Church is the only one, the Roman Catholic! And if there were left upon earth but one Catholic, he would be the one, universal Church, the Catholic Church, the Church of Jesus Christ against which the gates of Hell shall never prevail."

- Ven. Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824)


God bless you!

[odhiambo]

Sedevacantist?

[Therese]

Dear Odhimabo,

This book of quotes is called No Crisis in the Church? by Simon Galloway, and it he is not sedevacantist.   The title of his book title isn't even an accurate title, as the crisis he is referring to exists in the V2 Conciliar sect, and not in the Roman Catholic Church.  May all of us admit that the quotes speak for themselves, and please, Odhimabo, don't allow yourself to get sidetracked by other issues.  I told you that the V2 Conciliar Church teaching contradicts the pre-V2 teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, and this I have proven; you can look up all the documents I have cited yourself, if you wish.   The quotes speak for themselves and would speak for themselves even were Simon Galloway a sedevacantist, but as I said, he is not a sedevacantist.  I am not here on this thread to prove that the Conciliar Church is not the Roman Catholic Church, but to prove that the V2 Conciliar Church teaches what is contrary to (in contradiction with) the magisterial teaching of the Roman Catholic Church and her popes and councils.  God bless you!

Yours in Mary Immaculate, Destroyer of All Heresies,
Therese

[Therese]

And, dear Odhiambo, if you wish to know what I am, I am  Roman Catholic who professes the true faith and tries to live up to it, and who knows that a true pope can not contradict previous popes and councils or promote any teaching that contradicts previous popes and councils.  The Church has had several anti-popes, who have convened general councils, councils which have taught/promoted error.  But no true pope can convene a general council and have their council teach/promote error, for Jesus Christ has given His promise to send the Holy Ghost to protect His Church from error and His representative from error on matters of faith and morals taught universally to the faithful.  God bless you!

[Therese]

See post above, as it has been modified.  Several of my posts on these forums have been modified without my specifying it.  But my last post is very important, so I wanted to mention it.

[whiterockdove]

I'm reading.....and pondering.....and praying!
 Because here I am, in my current state of life with my current parish. No TLM nearby, sick husband who has little patience for my conversion and parish activities. ( just a side effect of brain injuries from cancer. He didn't used to be this way, )
   I think I need prayers!
But I have attended mass at churches that are more traditional and please pardon my fumbling with discriptions and words.
The things you posted are way over my head but I will research and try to educate myself.
It seems that a conversation I had with a Monsignor in Kansas City touched on the whole pre and post V2 issues.
Thanks Therese for all these posts,  I am so happy you are preparing for your consecration to Mary!

When things calm down in your world, and if it isn't too personal, could you write some about your consecration
Preparation?  I'll tell you about mine.
  Odhiambo, are you a member of The Legion of Mary? Just wondering.
I would like to hear about that as well.

[Therese]

I'm reading.....and pondering.....and praying!
 Because here I am, in my current state of life with my current parish. No TLM nearby, sick husband who has little patience for my conversion and parish activities. ( just a side effect of brain injuries from cancer. He didn't used to be this way, )
   I think I need prayers!
But I have attended mass at churches that are more traditional and please pardon my fumbling with discriptions and words.
The things you posted are way over my head but I will research and try to educate myself.
It seems that a conversation I had with a Monsignor in Kansas City touched on the whole pre and post V2 issues.
Thanks Therese for all these posts,  I am so happy you are preparing for your consecration to Mary!

When things calm down in your world, and if it isn't too personal, could you write some about your consecration
Preparation?  I'll tell you about mine.
  Odhiambo, are you a member of The Legion of Mary? Just wondering.
I would like to hear about that as well.

I'd be glad to share with you about my Marian Consecration, Whiterockdove, if it would better help you to make yours.  God bless you!

[Therese]

No Crisis in the Church? is 268 pages long and is loaded with quotes that prove that the V2/post-V2 teachings of the Concilar Church contradicts pre-V2 teaching.  Those with a love for the truth and for the Roman Catholic Church can not overlook these contradictions as though there were nothing wrong.  Here are three more quotes for you on false ecumenism.  These will be my last quotes, unless a request for more quotes is made.  Very soon I'll have to return this book to my friend, so I will not be able to provide quotes on this thread after that time.

Pope Pius XII

Therefore, Catholic doctrine must be propounded and explained in its totality and in its integrity: it is not permitted to pass over in silence or to veil in ambiguous terms what is comprised in the Catholic truth on the true nature and stages of justification, on the constitution of the Church, on the primacy of jurisdiction of the Roman Pontiff, on the unique true union by the return of the separated Christians to the one true Church of Christ.  (Pope Pius XII, Instructionn of the Holy Office to the Bishops, Dec. 20, 1949)





Pope Benedict XVI

And now we ask what does it mean to restore the unity of all Christians?...this unity does not mean what could be called ecumenism of return: that is, to deny and reject one's own faith history.  Absolutely not!  (Pope Benedict XVI, Address to Protestants, World Youth Day, Aug. 19, 2005)



Pope John Paul II and Pope Bendict XVI Head of Christian Unity

Today we no longer understand ecumenism in the sense of the ecumenism of a return, by which others should "be converted" and return to being "catholics."  This was expressly abandoned by Vatican II.  (Cardinal Walter Casper, President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, Interview with Adista, Rome, Feb. 26, 2001, p.9)



Imagine, non-Catholics not having to be converted or to become Catholic.  What about the commission Jesus Christ gave to his Apostles just before His Ascension, to baptize and convert all nations?  So much for false ecumenism!--so much for the Conciliar Church!

[Therese]

Dear Whiterockdove,

There may come a day when I will not be able to get to the holy Sacrifice of the Mass (TLM of Pope Pius V).  When that time comes I will pray at home with my missal, and I will continue praying my Rosary and wearing my Brown Scapular.  I will have no part in a false sect, neither does God want me to.

Yours in Mary Immaculate, our loving Mother and Queen,
Therese  

[Therese]

I have accomplished that which I had sought out to do, and that was, to show that the magisterial teaching of the Roman Catholic Church has been contradicted by the Conciliar Church.  I pray that those of you of good will not bury you heads in the sand and will not accept the errors of V2, to the destruction of your Catholic faith and precious souls.  Let us see what the upcoming synod in October has in store for you people who are in the Conciiliar Church.

Mary Immaculate, Destroyer of All Heresies, pray for us!

[whiterockdove]

God bless you too, Therese!

[Therese]

God bless you too, Therese!