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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2010, 07:57:45 AM »

Dear Shin,

Pardon me for being slow but what does "No good deed goes unpunished" mean? Embarrassed

Yes, indeed, the St. Michael prayer does quickly become a personal friend. Lips Sealed
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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2010, 10:04:37 PM »

Dear Shin,

Pardon me for being slow but what does "No good deed goes unpunished" mean? Embarrassed

Yes, indeed, the St. Michael prayer does quickly become a personal friend. Lips Sealed

Well, it's not strictly true, but it can feel that way at times. Smiley 

For good deeds of substantial and genuine worth it seems to me there is often spiritual resistance to their success, or spiritual anger from the enemy at their success, and so it is necessary to pray against this. The St. Michael prayer is very helpful this way.

For example it can be hard for people to get to mass, their feelings can be slowly changed towards it by the devil's work.. from love and fervor of communion to difficulties of various kinds..  and after going, after the spiritual help has subsided from it, revenge can be taken if not prayed against.

This has been my experience personally for many things.. and I know of one saint who gave up what looked to be a great charitable work at first, because it was too easy for him -- the devil did not oppose it, so he said to himself, "This work must not have the value I first thought." and he took up another because it was not difficult to do that one.
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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2010, 11:13:43 PM »

Ah, yes!  Now I see! Cheesy
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2010, 11:18:06 PM »

It was helpful to read that we all are defenseless against the devil and need to invoke God and the saints as our defenders.  I already knew that but now I see how much more I should be invoking God and the saints during the day to defend me (as opposed to just praying for persecutors and for graces in times of need).

I really agree with what you say there!

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10. I do not know whether I have put this clearly; self-knowledge is of such consequence that I would not have you careless of it, though you may be lifted to heaven in prayer, because while on earth nothing is more needful than humility. Therefore, I repeat, not only a good way, but the best of all ways, is to endeavour to enter first by the room where humility is practised, which is far better than at once rushing on to the others. This is the right road;--if we know how easy and safe it is to walk by it, why ask for wings with which to fly? Let us rather try to learn how to advance quickly. I believe we shall never learn to know ourselves except by endeavouring to know God, for, beholding His greatness we are struck by our own baseness, His purity shows our foulness, and by meditating on His humility we find how very far we are from being humble.



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11. Two advantages are gained by this practice. First, it is clear that white looks far whiter when placed near something black, and on the contrary, black never looks so dark as when seen beside something white. Secondly, our understanding and will become more noble and capable of good in every way when we turn from ourselves to God: it is very injurious never to raise our minds above the mire of our own faults. I described how murky and fetid are the streams that spring from the source of a soul in mortal sin. Thus (although the case is not really the same, God forbid! this is only a comparison), while we are continually absorbed in contemplating the weakness of our earthly nature, the springs of our anions will never flow free from the mire of timid, weak, and cowardly thoughts, such as: `I wonder whether people are noticing me or not! If I follow this course, will harm come to me? Dare I begin this work? Would it not be presumptuous? Is it right for any one as faulty as myself to speak on sublime spiritual subjects? Will not people think too well of me, if I make myself singular? Extremes are bad, even in virtue; sinful as I am I shall only fall the lower. Perhaps I shall fail and be a source of scandal to good people; such a person as I am has no need of peculiarities.'
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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2010, 11:36:23 PM »

They're striking me all the more now that you are quoting them. Smiley

I know those words have help in them for many of us here!
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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2010, 10:46:57 AM »

Brigid, these passages you point out point out to me that keeping truly humble and with our hearts fixed on God and not in the mire of our own faults is very good...though I know that true self knowledge is very valuable when properly practiced.
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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2010, 10:25:40 PM »

This chapter seems to impress on us the need for silence, more prayer and  avoiding  anxiety. Satan feeds on lack of these and pulls us back from our goal which is CHRIST.
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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2010, 11:07:05 PM »

Brigid, these passages you point out point out to me that keeping truly humble and with our hearts fixed on God and not in the mire of our own faults is very good...though I know that true self knowledge is very valuable when properly practiced.

That's very, very true Therese. "Proper practice" in this current society and after the 'Me' decade is pretty unlikely, I think. It really takes a lot of work for me!!!!! Roll Eyes

Isn't it interesting how each of us seem to feel emphasis on a different part of what she says? I like that. That must be one reason she's a Doctor of the Church.
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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2010, 02:34:36 AM »

This chapter seems to impress on us the need for silence, more prayer and  avoiding  anxiety. Satan feeds on lack of these and pulls us back from our goal which is CHRIST.

Yes, that is so true, Patricia.
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Isn't it interesting how each of us seem to feel emphasis on a different part of what she says? I like that. That must be one reason she's a Doctor of the Church.

Yes, that must be why.
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« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2010, 12:03:33 PM »

I didn't know she was a Doctor of the Church. I learn something new from all of you everyday. Smiley
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THE SECOND MANSIONS

ONLY CHAPTER

TREATS OF THE GREAT IMPORTANCE OF PERSEVERANCE IN ORDER TO ENTER THE LAST MANSIONS, AND OF THE FIERCE WAR THE DEVIL WAGES AGAINST US. HOW ESSENTIAL IT IS TO TAKE THE RIGHT PATH FROM THE VERY COMMENCEMENT OF OUR JOURNEY. A METHOD OF ACTION WHICH HAS PROVED VERY EFFICACIOUS.

1. Souls in the second mansions. 2. Their state. 3. Their sufferings. 4. They cannot get rid of their imperfections. 5. How God calls these souls. 6. Perseverance is essential. 7. Temptations of the devil. 8. Delusion of earthly joys. 9. God alone to be loved. 10. Reasons for continuing the journey. 11. War fare of the devil. 12. Importance of choice of friends. 13. Valour required. 14. Presumption of expecting spiritual consolations at first. 15. In the Cross is strength. 16. Our falls should raise us higher. 17. Confidence and perseverance. 18. Recollection. 19. Why we must practise prayer. 20. Meditation kindles love.

1. Now let us consider which are the souls that enter the second mansions, and what they do there: I do not wish to enlarge on this subject, having already treated it very fully elsewhere, for I could not avoid repeating myself, as my memory is very bad. If I could state my ideas in another form they would not weary you, for we never tire of reading books on this subject, numerous as they are.

2. In this part of the castle are found souls which have begun to practise prayer; they realize the importance of their not remaining in the first mansions, yet often lack determination to quit their present condition by avoiding occasions of sin, which is a very perilous state to be in.

3. However, it is a great grace that they should sometimes make good their escape from the vipers and poisonous creatures around them and should understand the need of avoiding them. In some way these souls suffer a great deal more than those in the first mansions, although not in such danger, as they begin to understand their peril and there are great hopes of their entering farther into the castle. I say that they suffer a great deal more, for those in an earlier stage are like deaf-mutes and are not so distressed at being unable to speak, while the others, who can hear but cannot talk, find it much harder. At the same time, it is better not to be deaf, and a decided advantage to hear what is said to us.

4. These souls hear our Lord calling them, for as they approach nearer to where His Majesty dwells He proves a loving Neighbour, though they may still be engaged in the amusements and business, the pleasures and vanities of this world. While in this state we continually fall into sin and rise again, for the creatures amongst whom we dwell are so venomous, so vicious, and so dangerous, that it is almost impossible to avoid being tripped up by them. Yet such are the pity and compassion of this Lord of ours, so desirous is He that we should seek Him and enjoy His company, that in one way or another He never ceases calling us to Him. So sweet is His voice, that the poor soul is disconsolate at being unable to follow His bidding at once, and therefore, as I said, suffers more than if it could not hear Him.

5. I do not mean that divine communications and inspirations received in this mansion are the same as those I shall describe later on; God here speaks to souls through words uttered by pious people, by sermons or good books, and in many other such ways. Sometimes He calls souls by means of sickness or troubles, or by some truth He teaches them during prayer, for tepid as they may be in seeking Him, yet God holds them very dear.

6. Do not think lightly, sisters, of this first grace, nor be downcast if you have not responded immediately to Our Lord's voice, for His Majesty is willing to wait for us many a day and even many a year, especially when He sees perseverance and good desires in our hearts. Perseverance is the first essential; with this we are sure to profit greatly. However, the devils now fiercely assault the soul in a thousand different ways: it suffers more than ever, because formerly it was mute and deaf, or at least could hear very little, and offered but feeble resistance, like one who has almost lost all hope of victory.

7. Here, however, the understanding being more vigilant and the powers more on the alert, we cannot avoid hearing the fighting and cannonading around us. For now the devils set on us the reptiles, that is to say, thoughts about the world and its joys which they picture as unending; they remind us of the high esteem men held us in, of our friends and relations; they tell us how the penances which souls in this mansion always begin to wish to perform would injure our health: in fine, the evil spirits place a thousand impediments in the way.

8. O Jesus! What turmoil the devils cause in the poor soul! How unhappy it feels, not knowing whether to go forward or to return to the first mansion! On the other hand, reason shows it the delusion of overrating worldly things, while faith teaches what alone can satisfy its cravings. Memory reminds the soul how all earthly joys end, recalling the death of those who lived at ease; how some died suddenly and were soon forgotten, how others, once so prosperous, are now buried beneath the ground and men pass by the graves where they lie, the prey of worms, while the mind recalls many other such incidents.

9. The will inclines to love Our Lord and longs to make some return to Him Who is so amiable, and Who has given so many proofs of His love, especially by His constant presence with the soul, which this faithful Lover never quits, ever accompanying it and giving it life and being. The understanding aids by showing that however many years life might last, no one could ever wish for a better friend than God; that the world is full of falsehood, and that the worldly pleasures pictured by the devil to the mind were but troubles and cares and annoyances in disguise.

10. Reason convinces the soul that as outside its interior castle are found neither peace nor security, it should cease to seek another home abroad, its own being full of riches that it can enjoy at will. Besides, it is not every one who, like itself, possesses all he needs within his own dwelling, and above all, such a Host, Who will give it all it can desire, unless, like the prodigal son, it chooses to go astray and feed with the swine. Surely these arguments are strong enough to defeat the devil's wiles! But, O my God, how the force of worldly habits and the example of others who practise them ruin everything! Our faith is so dead that we trust less to its teaching than to what is visible, though, indeed, we see that worldly lives bring nothing but unhappiness. All this results from those venomous thoughts I described, which, unless we are very careful, will deform the soul as the sting of a viper poisons and swells the body.

11. When this happens, great care is evidently needed to cure it, and only God's signal mercy prevents its resulting in death. Indeed, the soul passes through severe trials at this time, especially when the devil perceives from a person's character and behaviour that she is likely to make very great progress, for then all hell will league together to force her to turn back. O my Lord! what need there is here that, by Thy mercy, Thou shouldst prevent the soul from being deluded into forsaking the good begun! Enlighten it to see that its welfare consists in perseverance in the right way, and in the withdrawing from bad company.

12. It is of the utmost importance for the beginner to associate with those who lead a spiritual life, and not only with those in the same mansion as herself, but with others who have travelled farther into the castle, who will aid her greatly and draw her to join them. The soul should firmly resolve never to submit to defeat, for if the devil sees it staunchly determined to lose life and comfort and all that he can offer, rather than return to the first mansion, he will the sooner leave it alone.

13. Let the Christian be valiant; let him not be like those who lay down to drink from the brook when they went to battle (I do not remember when). Let him resolve to go forth to combat with the host of demons, and be convinced that there is no better weapon than the cross. I have already said, yet it is of such importance that I repeat it here: let no one think on starting of the reward to be reaped: this would be a very ignoble way of commencing such a large and stately building. If built on sand it would soon fall down. Souls who acted thus would continually suffer from discouragement and temptations, for in these mansions no manna rains; farther on, the soul is pleased with all that comes, because it desires nothing but what God wills.

14. What a farce it is! Here are we, with a thousand obstacles, drawbacks, and imperfections within ourselves, our virtues so newly born that they have scarcely the strength to act (and God grant that they exist at all!) yet we are not ashamed to expect sweetness in prayer and to complain of feeling dryness.

15. Do not act thus, sisters; embrace the cross your Spouse bore on His shoulders; know that your motto should be: `Most happy she who suffers most if it be for Christ!' All else should be looked upon as secondary: if our Lord give it you, render Him grateful thanks. You may imagine you would be resolute in enduring external trials if God gave you interior consolations: His Majesty knows best what is good for us; it is not for us to advise Him how to treat us, for He has the right to tell us that we know not what we ask. Remember, it is of the greatest importance--the sole aim of one beginning to practise prayer should be to endure trials, and to resolve and strive to the utmost of her power to conform her own will to the will of God. Be certain that in this consists all the greatest perfection to be attained in the spiritual life, as I will explain later. She who practises this most perfectly will receive from God the highest reward and is the farthest advanced on the right road. Do not imagine that we have need of a cabalistic formula or any other occult or mysterious thing to attain it our whole welfare consists in doing the will of God. If we start with the false principle of wishing God to follow our will and to lead us in the way we think best, upon what firm foundation can this spiritual edifice rest?

16. Let us endeavour to do our best: beware of the poisonous reptiles--that is to say, the bad thoughts and aridities which are often permitted by God to assail and torment us so that we cannot repel them. Indeed, perchance we feel their sting! He allows this to teach us to be more on our guard in the future and to see whether we grieve much at offending Him. Therefore if you occasionally lapse into sin, do not lose heart and cease trying to advance, for God will draw good even out of our falls, like the merchant who sells theriac, who first takes poison, then the theriac, to prove the power of his elixir. This combat would suffice to teach us to amend our habits if we realized our failings in no other way, and would show us the injury we receive from a life of dissipation. Can any evil be greater than that we find at home? What peace can we hope to find elsewhere, if we have none within us? What friends or kindred can be so close and intimate as the powers of our soul, which, whether we will or no, must ever bear us company? These seem to wage war on us as if they knew the harm our vices had wrought them. `Peace, peace be unto you,' my sisters, as our Lord said, and many a time proclaimed to His Apostles. Believe me, if we neither possess nor strive to obtain this peace at home, we shall never find it abroad.

17. By the blood which our Lord shed for us, I implore those who have not yet begun to enter into themselves, to stop this warfare: I beg those already started in the right path, not to let the combat turn them back from it. Let them reflect that a relapse is worse than a fall, and see what ruin it would bring. They should confide in God's mercy, trusting nothing in themselves; then they will see how His Majesty will lead them from one mansion to another, and will set them in a place where these wild beasts can no more touch or annoy them, but will be entirely at their mercy and merely objects of ridicule. Then, even in this life, they will enjoy a far greater happiness than they are able even to desire.

18. As I said at the beginning of this work, I have explained elsewhere how you should behave when the devil thus disturbs you. I also told you that the habit of recollection is not to be gained by force of arms, but with calmness, which will enable you to practise it for a longer space of time. I will say no more now, except that I think it very helpful for those of you who are beginners to consult persons experienced in such matters, lest you imagine that you are injuring yourselves by leaving your prayer to perform any necessary duties. This is not the case; our Lord will direct such things to our profit, although we may have no one to counsel us. The only remedy for having given up a habit of recollection is to recommence it, otherwise the soul will continue to lose it more and more every day, and God grant it may realize its danger.

19. You may think, that if it is so very injurious to desist, it would have been better never to have begun, and to have remained outside the castle. But, as I began by saying, and as God Himself declares: `He that loves danger shall perish by it,' and the door by which we must enter this castle is prayer. Remember, we must get to heaven, and it would be madness to think we could do so without sometimes retiring into our souls so as to know ourselves, or thinking of our failings and of what we owe to God, or frequently imploring His mercy. Our Lord also says, `No man cometh to the Father but by Me' (I am not sure whether this quotation is correct, but I think so), and, `He that seeth Me seeth the Father also.'

20. If we never look up at Him and reflect on what we owe Him for having died for us, I do not understand how we can know Him, or perform good deeds in His service. What value is there in faith without works? and what are they worth if they are not united to the merits of Jesus Christ, our only good? What would incite us to love our Lord unless we thought of Him? May He give us grace to understand how much we cost Him; that `the servant is not above his lord'; that we must toil for Him if we would enjoy His glory; and prayer is a necessity to prevent us from constantly falling into temptation.
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« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2010, 03:45:52 PM »

What first strikes me. . . and strikes me most is how important calm and interior peace are. . . and how easily overlooked this is in the spiritual journey..

St. Teresa says she treated these early mansions elsewhere and the footnotes note this in her Life, and Way of Perfection.

I believe I've met many souls who do not know to, nor desire to give up sin and still complain about aridities and sweetness lacking. . . Which reminds me of how important a delicate conscience is and retreat from the world's entertainments.. immersed in these.. people will not change, nor realize they need to change.. and when told to leave them will say, 'They are fine, the Church does not teach against them,' which is both not true, and yet a sad indictment of the prelates who have fallen in with the ways and entertainments of the world themselves and so do not teach by either word or example. We live in troubled times.. but this is always the case in one way or another and the saints point beyond our immediate troubles to the fundamentals of God that are always there for us through the Church and so through the saints.

We want to move quickly.. we want to be saints today..

True there are many many steps to be made.. but if we do so with pure conscience.. we can meet each step as it comes and be in a good state swiftly and more normally..

One of my first thoughts with Interior Castle was that it might be too deep, too far for us.. But there are some goods to this too.. We get to see the goal, and contemplate the beautiful journey of those far ahead and so be all the more encouraged and prepared to the extent we can be with our greater partial understanding of what has to be done..


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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2010, 05:52:58 PM »

I don't see this as beyond us at all! In the Way of Perfection she is very obviously speaking to her sisters in the religious life, however in The Interior Castle that is not true at all. The only thing that may be beyond us is that sometimes her way of speech (that of the 16th cent.) is more obvious than at other times. That is true of a number of Saints who are very popular, including St. Francis de Sales and St. Therese. When one has a number of little ones it is difficult to have time for prayer, however it is possible in some circumstances. On other Catholic forums I have seen a number of people who seem quite advanced in prayer.
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« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2010, 06:06:50 PM »

I like the part in this text that says our falls should rise us higher.  Yes, everything is a grace!
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« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2010, 06:09:07 PM »

 Cheesy

Onwards and upwards!
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