Prophecy Quotations - Excerpts

[Brigid]

This cardinal will proclaim himself Anti-Pope, and two thirds of the Christians will go with him. He, also well as Antichrist, are descendants of Dan.

what does this mean?

And do you know who wrote/prophesied it?

[Shin]

This cardinal will proclaim himself Anti-Pope, and two thirds of the Christians will go with him. He, also well as Antichrist, are descendants of Dan.

what does this mean?

That would be Bl. Hildegard?

The tribe of Dan is one of the Twelve Tribes of Israel.. or rather.. well.. It's the 'black sheep' tribe so to speak. In Revelation chapter 7, all the tribes are mentioned -except- Dan.

The Antichrist will be of Jewish origin, this is what the prophecies say. He will be the earthly 'Messiah' so long been awaited since they rejected Jesus because He was not one. Barabbas I think, would be symbolic of this.

'As Christ springs from the tribe of Juda, so Antichrist is to spring from the tribe of Dan. And that the case stands thus, we see also from the words of Jacob: "Let Dan be a serpent, lying upon the ground, biting the horse's heel." What then is meant by the serpent but Antichrist.'

St. Hippolytus

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[Shin]

"A day will come when the civilized world will deny its God, when the Church will doubt as Peter doubted. She will be tempted to believe that man has become God. In our churches, Christians will search in vain for the red lamp where God awaits them. Like Mary Magdalene, weeping before the empty tomb, they will ask, "Where have they taken him?"

Pope Pius XII

wow this is really scary the quote about people thinking that man has become God... it makes me think that maybe the Antichrist will perform great signs and wonders...

does this quote mean that the Eucharist won't be in the Church anymore?

The mass will be forbidden to be said publicly and churches will all be closed.. I do not know what the status of the underground will be at this point..

The Antichrist will perform signs and wonders, he will fake miracles through the powers of the devil.

'You must know that Antichrist will perform other prodigies by the power of demons and these will be true miracles according to the nature of things in themselves but false in regard to the definition of a miracle (i.e by the power of God). For he will cause images and babes of a month old to speak. The followers of Antichrist will question these statues or babies and they will make answer concerning this lord who has come in the latter times, affirming that he is the savior. The devil will move their lips and form the words they utter when they declare the Antichrist to be the true savior of the world and this way he will cause the destruction of many souls.

Those in the 3rd category whom he will try to seduce are learned folk such as masters and doctors of civil and canon law who can argue and grasp the proof of things. Against these Antichrist will weave spells of enchantments, bringing out the most subtle arguments, the most seductive reasoning, to render these learned men tongue-tied and incapable of answering. It is not difficult to understand how this is done since the demon already holds their souls in the chains of sin, for the greater their knowledge the more heavy burdened will be their consciences if they do not live up to it. If he can hold their souls on chains it is easy for him to bind a morsel of flesh like the tongue so that they cannot speak except when and what he chooses. The remedy for this state of bondage is faith, which follows simple obedience and not argument or reasoning. Argument may be good for the strengthening of intelligence but it is not the true foundation of faith. Those whose faith rests on reason will lose it when they hear the specious reasoning of Antichrist. Those on the contrary who rely on a firm belief founded on obedience will reply 'away with your arguments! Such reasonings are not the grounds of my faith.' The temporal lords and ecclesiastical prelates for fear of losing their power or position will be on his side, since there will exist neither king nor prelate unless he wills it.

St. Vincent Ferrer (1350-1419 A.D.)

[MarysLittleFlower]

wow... I wonder if these things will occur in our lifetimes.. I guess we will see.

I hope that there would still be the Mass, at least underground, so people can receive the Eucharist.

I think especially in this context, it makes sense for our faith to be based on obedience rather than reason or feeling. This kind of faith..that's based on obedience and love for God, is much stronger.

I don't really understand what the "Anti-Pope" is..is this a "false Pope"? Or would this person literally call himself the "Anti-Pope", and act against the Pope? will the people know who the true Pope is?

all the deception is what scares me the most here.

[Shin]

wow... I wonder if these things will occur in our lifetimes.. I guess we will see.

I hope that there would still be the Mass, at least underground, so people can receive the Eucharist.

I think especially in this context, it makes sense for our faith to be based on obedience rather than reason or feeling. This kind of faith..that's based on obedience and love for God, is much stronger.

I don't really understand what the "Anti-Pope" is..is this a "false Pope"? Or would this person literally call himself the "Anti-Pope", and act against the Pope? will the people know who the true Pope is?

all the deception is what scares me the most here.

I believe it would be a person who proclaims himself Pope, who is not the Pope. This is what an anti-Pope is generally considered. Now that you bring it up it's interesting to try to figure out how such a figure could fit in with the AntiChrist who will deny Christ, and force all to do so. I suppose, not looking things up just this moment, so this is just supposition, that it would be because of the new religion the AntiChrist creates, that is a synthesis of all religions, and so, the Pope would have taken part of this synthesis up to this point, and syncretism, and so could make the 'leap' to worship of the AntiChrist at some point. That leap would at least make finally clear that this was an Antipope and not the true Pope if this was a question at that point still for some.

[Shin]

 
 

how's that for non-verbals?   

Signs and symbols are perfect for a prophecy thread! 

[Shin]

'... a great movement of apostasy being organized in every country for the establishment of a One-World Church which shall have neither dogmas, nor hierarchy, nor discipline for the mind, nor curb for the passions, and which, under the pretext of freedom and human dignity, would bring back to the world the reign of legalized cunning and force, the oppression of the weak, and of those who toil and suffer.'

'Indeed, the true friends of the people are neither revolutionaries, nor innovators: they are traditionalists.'

Pope St. Pius X, 'Our Apostolic Mandate'

[MarysLittleFlower]

wow... I wonder if these things will occur in our lifetimes.. I guess we will see.

I hope that there would still be the Mass, at least underground, so people can receive the Eucharist.

I think especially in this context, it makes sense for our faith to be based on obedience rather than reason or feeling. This kind of faith..that's based on obedience and love for God, is much stronger.

I don't really understand what the "Anti-Pope" is..is this a "false Pope"? Or would this person literally call himself the "Anti-Pope", and act against the Pope? will the people know who the true Pope is?

all the deception is what scares me the most here.

I believe it would be a person who proclaims himself Pope, who is not the Pope. This is what an anti-Pope is generally considered. Now that you bring it up it's interesting to try to figure out how such a figure could fit in with the AntiChrist who will deny Christ, and force all to do so. I suppose, not looking things up just this moment, so this is just supposition, that it would be because of the new religion the AntiChrist creates, that is a synthesis of all religions, and so, the Pope would have taken part of this synthesis up to this point, and syncretism, and so could make the 'leap' to worship of the AntiChrist at some point. That leap would at least make finally clear that this was an Antipope and not the true Pope if this was a question at that point still for some.

that is scary, because I'm not sure how to not be deceived by this, as a Catholic who wants to follow the Pope....

[MarysLittleFlower]

'... a great movement of apostasy being organized in every country for the establishment of a One-World Church which shall have neither dogmas, nor hierarchy, nor discipline for the mind, nor curb for the passions, and which, under the pretext of freedom and human dignity, would bring back to the world the reign of legalized cunning and force, the oppression of the weak, and of those who toil and suffer.'

'Indeed, the true friends of the people are neither revolutionaries, nor innovators: they are traditionalists.'

Pope St. Pius X, 'Our Apostolic Mandate'

that makes me glad to be a traditionalist I think it would be easier to recognize this type of "church".......

what scares me, is what if the Catholic Church would appear in this way too, but it would be the false Catholic Church, and the true one would be underground? but then how will we know? how do we know it's not happening now? that's what the sedevacantists are saying. but I think Pope Benedict is on the right path.

[Shin]

Well, I haven't read enough of the prophecies to know how the faithful will be able to discern the false from the true Pope, and there does not so far seem to be much prophetic material directly on an anti-Pope.. but it is obvious that at least it will -eventually- be clear that the person is an anti-Pope given who he will support.

We still haven't gone through the time of the great monarch.. nor all the tribulations before he arrives..

Reading the history of how people handled past historical anti-Popes has been on my 'things to do' list for awhile. Not done yet! 

[MarysLittleFlower]

Well, I haven't read enough of the prophecies to know how the faithful will be able to discern the false from the true Pope, and there does not so far seem to be much prophetic material directly on an anti-Pope.. but it is obvious that at least it will -eventually- be clear that the person is an anti-Pope given who he will support.

We still haven't gone through the time of the great monarch.. nor all the tribulations before he arrives..

Reading the history of how people handled past historical anti-Popes has been on my 'things to do' list for awhile. Not done yet! 

do you mean that it's first tribulation, then the great monarch, and then the anti-Pope? in that order?

[Shin]

Well, I haven't read enough of the prophecies to know how the faithful will be able to discern the false from the true Pope, and there does not so far seem to be much prophetic material directly on an anti-Pope.. but it is obvious that at least it will -eventually- be clear that the person is an anti-Pope given who he will support.

We still haven't gone through the time of the great monarch.. nor all the tribulations before he arrives..

Reading the history of how people handled past historical anti-Popes has been on my 'things to do' list for awhile. Not done yet!  

do you mean that it's first tribulation, then the great monarch, and then the anti-Pope? in that order?

Things go roughly like this.. heresy and apostasy.. great tribulation.. war.. great monarch.. peace.. Catholicism triumphant over the entire world.. the great monarch dies.. the new faith throughout the world fails.. greatest tribulation, heresy, and apostasy ever in the world.. the AntiChrist comes to his full power.. then of course it all ends for him before too long thankfully.

When the AntiChrist is born, whether it is before the first tribulation.. or at some other time.. I do not know if the prophecies say..

But the anti-Pope who supports the Antichrist when he is in his full power (if this is how it works, I think it is?) would be a Pope after the time of the 'Great Monarch' and the time of the 'Great Monarch' has a -great- and -good- Pope like none other. So the prophecized false one would come after that one. I think.

My I'm speaking off the cuff a lot here to reply to you.. so take a few lumps, not just a grain of salt.. I am just beginning with gathering, sorting, and putting together these prophecy quotations.. I do -not- have a handle on this all yet. Disclaimer fin.

[martin]

Pope Benedict recently met in Malta with victims of clerical child abuse and almost every victim had nothing but praise for the Pope who they said was genuine in his sorrow for them.
Did anyone read the revised rules on election of future Popes by John Paul ii?
When one reads them it would appear that the then Pope was making it most difficult for the forces of evil to infiltrate future electiobns and I suspect he was fully aware of this possibility.
I believe after Pope Benedict the possibility for deceit may be present.

[Brigid]

Pope Benedict recently met in Malta with victims of clerical child abuse and almost every victim had nothing but praise for the Pope who they said was genuine in his sorrow for them.
Did anyone read the revised rules on election of future Popes by John Paul ii?
When one reads them it would appear that the then Pope was making it most difficult for the forces of evil to infiltrate future electiobns and I suspect he was fully aware of this possibility.
I believe after Pope Benedict the possibility for deceit may be present.

No. I haven't read those, but now will!

How was he making hard for evil to infiltrate future elections? In what way do you think the possibility for deceit will be more present after Pope Benedict?

[martin]

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The rules are so stringent and all of them fall under the penalty of excommunication for any Cardinal whio steps outside them.
Even to take issue with any of the rules has the same penalty.
Regarding a chance for deceit after Benedict. I think the wolves are out in numbers now against the church and especially the Ponificate.
I wouldn't be surprised if their are some already working on the inside.
That's just my feeling but I hope I'm wrong.

[Shin]

The current situation of the Church is a very difficult and unusual one, that is certain. It takes great prudence to navigate the waters of these times. I am still only beginning to understand so much about what has happened and is happening!

We must pray for the Church!